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Re: [TenTec] Model 238C Tuner Questions

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Subject: Re: [TenTec] Model 238C Tuner Questions
From: Steve Hunt <steve@karinya.net>
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Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2012 09:03:21 +0100
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Jim,

Those are important points of clarification that you raise!! I frequently hear folk commending ladderline-feed for a multiband doublet on the basis that "ladderline handles high SWR much better than coax" - that tells me there is still much misunderstanding about the fundamental causes of loss in HF transmission lines.

I would add just one thought to what you've explained:

A typical multiband doublet might exhibit feedpoint impedances anywhere from 40 Ohms to 4000 Ohms depending on the band. To minimise SWR excursions across the bands we would want to choose a transmission line characteristic impedance that is the geometric mean of those figures: Zo=SQRT(40*4000)=400Ohms. Choosing a commercial ladderline would limit the SWR to around 10:1 at worst; whereas using 50Ohm coax we would have 1.25:1 at one extreme and 80:1 at the other.

So, not only does the high impedance line benefit from flowing lower current for a given power level, it can also minimise the worst-case SWR experienced.

73,
Steve G3TXQ



On 17/10/2012 01:57, Jim Brown wrote:
On 10/16/2012 5:32 PM, Robert Mcgraw wrote:
The feed impedance on my 160M 1/2 wave wire is about 38 ohms as I recall.

Some clarifications. First, feedline loss is directly related to feedline current and conductor resistance, and is determined both by the feedline impedance and the SWR. What gives open wire line it's low loss characteristic is it's IMPEDANCE, NOT the fact that it is balanced. Loss is lower in high Z line because for a given power level and the same conductor size, because the current is lower.



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