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Re: Topband: Patience in ARRL 160 Contest

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Subject: Re: Topband: Patience in ARRL 160 Contest
From: Herb Schoenbohm <herbs@vitelcom.net>
Reply-to: herbs@vitelcom.net
Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2012 07:54:17 -0400
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I worked a whole bunch of Europeans in the 160 meter contest along with UA9's and even 4Z1UF who had a good signal. My pet peeve is that when I hear only a weaker stations prefix but miss the suffix and ask for a repeat and request for example "HB9 ? AGN" all I hear is the prefix before the suffix is in the noise. The station knows i have the correct prefix and number but how do I get them just to send the missing portion which is crucial to completing the QSO? Even if I send HB9??? they return with de HB9### and the process repeats. If in such circumstances once the calling station realizes I have the correct prefix all they need do is send the two or three letters of the suffix several times. Resending the prefix is not helpful in high noise or qrm situation. I have tried SFX? SFX? but many stations are confused by that and keep sending their whole call. So here is my advice in just difficult circumstance:

Do *not* repeat your whole call if the other station has the correct prefix and all they need is the remaining portion. I just wish more stations on TB would do this as it would enable them getting in the log correctly and save time. Time length of an opening to some parts of the world is everything in a crowded contest. Why waste it?

73,

Herb Schoenbohm, KV4FZ





On 12/4/2012 7:11 AM, Jim Brown wrote:
On 12/3/2012 8:26 PM, Augie "Gus" Hansen wrote:
as in "CQ TEST KB0YH", with about a 1-2 second loop delay.

I have NEVER found a CQ repeat interfal less than 2.5 seconds to be adequate to actually LISTEN for callers, and I often use 3 seconds.

I strongly agree with the need to keep CQs short. I always have three CQs programmed. The shortest, automatic on F1, is "TEST K9YC" The next is "CQ TEST K9YC," and the longest is "CQ TEST K9YC K9YC." I start with the shortest, then the middle one, then the longer one when things are slow and I need to beat the bushes.

When a QSO is finished, it's TU, a long space so someone could tail end, then K9YC. No "73, GL in the contest, no "QSL," "CFM,"etc. If I think there might be any confusion about callsigns, I'll use F5 (his call) then F3 (TU K9YC) at the end of the QSO. All that extra crap takes time, and when I'm in S&P mode, I'll tune past the guy who's wasting my time with it. I can average 80 Qs per hour in S&P mode, but not waiting through that blather. :)

I've contested with N6RO at his place. He's a top scoring guy (he's won SS nationally, doing it from the west coast), so I have a hard time finding fault with him! What Ken does is send YOUR call at the beginning of an exchange, when in S&P mode. That's smart -- it makes sure both guys know who's working who under crowded band conditions when there can often be two stations running a few hundred Hz apart on different coasts, and callers answering both.

BTW -- another good way to make sure that the other guy is working YOU, not someone else on your frequency, is to ask for a simple repeat of a short part of the exchange. If he responds, you know he's working you.

As to "being weak" -- I strongly agree with N6RK's advice. I'll add this: never send ANYTHING again that the other guy has copied correctly. If he has your call, don't send it again. If he doesn't have your call, send it until he does. If he needs your report, send ONLY the report, over and over again until he gets it. If he asks for confirmation of something, send R R R R R R, and nothing else. At the end of QSO and I'm the S&P guy, I'll send TU TU TU TU if I need to let him know I copied his exchange. When your signal is "vapor" on the other end, anything beyond the bare minimum confuses things.

And QSK is a wonderful thing, especially if you're weak. I don;t use full QSK at 1.5 kW -- the vacuum relays wear out too often -- but I always do at 100w or less.

73, Jim K9YC
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