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Subject: [TowerTalk] Fwd: Reply - KW3000 with 1/2 inch Drill Motor -Wrongassumption in responses
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 19:18:23 -0400
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How about taking a Variac transformer, adding a full wave rectifier 
bridge and connect that to the drill. Series connected motors work a 
lot better on DC than AC. You can better torque that way. Just remember 
that you can push more current through the motor with DC so you have to 
watch out not to overheat the motor. At low RPM it is most resistive 
losses that cause heat generation.

A variable frequency drive will work as it is also varying the output 
voltage with the output frequency but that is kind of overkill driving 
a drill motor or any other "universal" AC/DC motor.

73 de N2JFS - Hans

-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Schafer <>
To: 'Dennis Vernacchia' <>; 'Richard (Rick) Karlquist' 
Cc: 'towertalk' <>
Sent: Thu, Oct 15, 2009 6:59 pm
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Reply - KW3000 with 1/2 inch Drill Motor 
-Wrongassumption in responses

Maybe some confusion here? A typical AC/DC motor has the fields wired in
series with the armature. This allows the motor to run on either ac or 
voltage as it does not depend on the rotating fields that AC provides 
in a
typical AC only motor.

With the series fields/armature a lower voltage will cause the motor to 
more current and increase the torque. A light dimmer should work to 

A variable speed (variable frequency) drive will do nothing for the 
wired motor to control speed. It will work the same if it is operated 
on 60
Hz or 30 Hz or DC.

Gary  K4FMX

> -----Original Message-----
> From: [mailto:towertalk-
>] On Behalf Of Dennis Vernacchia
> Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 2:36 PM
> To: Richard (Rick) Karlquist
> Cc: towertalk; Chuck Frame; Dubovsky, George
> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Reply - KW3000 with 1/2 inch Drill Motor -
> Wrongassumption in responses
> Rick,
> I was told by a friend who is knowledgeable about the subject that 
> the
> drill converts AC to DC so
> not a candidate for Pulse Width Motor Speed Controller
> I need something off the shelf as I don't have time to reinvent the 
> right now.
> Will have to wait for a solution on reflector unless you come up with
> something in your quest
> for same thing I need.
> 73, Dennis N6KI
> On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 8:13 AM, Richard (Rick) Karlquist <
>> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Dubovsky, George wrote:
> >
> >> You will still lose torque with a pwm light dimmer. You will need
> >> something like an variable speed drive, where you vary the drive
> frequency
> >> and voltage simultaneously, essentially synthesizing a complete 
> wave at
> >> an adjustable frequency. I use them on three-phase motors on my 
> and
> >> mill, but they are also available for single-phase motors. Not 
> but
> >> less than the Hole Hawg ;-)
> >>
> >> 73,
> >>
> >> geo - n4ua
> >>
> >
> > The idea of the PWM method is that you have full torque when
> > on, but are not on all the time.  You do lose horsepower, but
> > not torque, AFAIK.  It's similar to pulsing the ON/OFF switch
> > on the drill.  I am not sure if there is any difference between
> > a PWM motor speed controller and a light dimmer.
> >
> > A variable frequency drive sounds like something for an AC induction
> > motor.  Most drills AFAIK are AC/DC motors, for which frequency is
> > obviously irrelevant.
> >
> > If the above is wrong, someone correct me.  I want to get a
> > Hole Hawg too, as soon as I figure out how to slow it down.
> >
> > Rick N6RK
> >
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