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Re: [WriteLog] Writelog-CT17-Radios

To: Ron NØAT <n0at@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [WriteLog] Writelog-CT17-Radios
From: Richard Zalewski <dick.w7zr@gmail.com>
Reply-to: Richard Zalewski <dick.w7zr@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 18:10:17 -0700
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Ron,

I changed the rigpolling in [configuration] from 500 to 2000 and it
made no difference.  I am using a "genuine" Icom CT17.

Thanks
Dick



On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 17:40:31 -0600, Ron NØAT <n0at@comcast.net> wrote:
> Dick,
> 
> I had trouble with my Icom rig and Writelog.  I found the Writelog polling
> rate was set to 100 milliseconds.  I changed it to 2 seconds;  everything
> works fine now.
> 
> If you have a choice, use a CT17 type interface that has an open collector
> output.  Some interfaces, with driven outputs, take time to recover after a
> collision.
> 
> 73 de Ron  NØAT
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Richard Zalewski" <dick.w7zr@gmail.com>
> To: <ron.stordahl@digikey.com>
> Cc: "George Skoubis" <george.skoubis@verizon.net>; "Writelog"
> <writelog@contesting.com>
> Sent: Monday, December 13, 2004 16:21
> Subject: Re: [WriteLog] Writelog-CT17-Radios
> 
> Ron,
> 
> Thanks so much for your assessment.  I have in fact complained to ICOM
> as well about their problems of antiquated rig control.  It is utterly
> ridiculous that today's $3K radio still requires an external box to
> bring it to current operations.
> 
> I do hope that K5DJ takes a look at this thread and hopefully
> acknowledges that there is a problem and comes up with a fix.
> 
> Tnx es 73
> Dick W7ZR
> 
> On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 16:11:19 -0600, Ron Stordahl
> <ron.stordahl@digikey.com> wrote:
> > I believe much of the difficulty in controlling radios are timing
> > issues.  DXBase2005 for example provides the control strings used in a
> > file called radios.ini.  In each radio's description the strings used
> > are specified along with the ability to introduce 'waits' at various
> > points in the sending of the strings.  If multiple strings are needed,
> > then delays can also be inserted between these.  I would have thought
> > making the 'waits' longer than they need be would only make things slow,
> > but in some cases they make the commands fail as well...perhaps the
> > radio times out.  Surprisingly a radio which can be controlled without
> > error at 9600 may not work at 1200, where apparently delays or 'waits'
> > of different duration are required.
> >
> > The whole thing is a can of worms.  I spent a lot of time 'fine tuning'
> > the strings and 'waits' for the ICOM 781, and then later the ICOM
> > 756ProII.  Also the ICOM 7800, where I have it working at 9600 but
> > cannot make it work at 1200!   Since I have never had any problem using
> > WriteLog with my 756 Pro II (which is set to the address for the Pro
> > rather than Pro II) I have not looked into if Writelog has a user
> > accessible file with the radio definitions...I guess it doesn't.
> >
> > When I finally got a working set of strings and delays for the 756ProII,
> > they were released with DXBase and just as I should have expected they
> > worked with some 756ProII's and not with others.  I had to issue an
> > update to the radios.ini file for that radio adding additional timing
> > delays, which had the effect of slowing down the frequency setting and
> > reading process, but at least, as far as I know, now wotks with all of
> > the ProII's out there.
> >
> > As I said  earlier the whole thing is a can of worms.  And trying to get
> > any cooperation from the radio manufacturer, at least from ICOM, has
> > been impossible.  For example in their current product line not one of
> > the radios offers the ability to read the current status of split and/or
> > dual watch.  That ability is present in the Kenwood and Yaesu rigs, but
> > not in the ICOM.  I have been in regular contact with ICOM, both in
> > person and via e-mail for several years about this deficiency.  It came
> > as a disappointment to me that when the ICOM7800 was released this
> > ability was still lacking.  Now they have released the ProIII and it
> > also is lacking this needed capability.
> >
> > Not being a Kenwood, Yaesu, etc user I can't really say if those radios
> > are easier to interface.
> >
> > The control interface to our radios is way down on the list of things we
> > think of when we make radio purchases.  This is unfortunate because this
> > allow the manufacturer to pretty much ignore the issue as well.
> >
> > I believe your only hope is to contact Ron Stailey, K5DJ, the author of
> > WriteLog to see if he can fine tune the timing of the commands for you.
> >
> > Ron, N5IN
> >
> >
> >
> > Richard Zalewski wrote:
> >
> > >I would like to renew this thread to see if we can come up with a
> > >solution.  Again it was a frustrating weekend having to click twice,
> > >three, four times or more to get a spot to move to the entry window.
> > >Sometimes the spot would move to the entry window but the entry window
> > >would not be the active area so it would take another click or two.
> > >
> > >One thing that seemed to help a little (I emphasize little) was
> > >changing the comm ptt to NO on the radio.
> > >
> > >I am able to use DX Labs suite of programs and select band spots
> > >without any problem so I do not think it is a radio or computer
> > >problem.  It may be a set up problem of some sort but it sure is
> > >annoying.
> > >
> > >One last clue and this has existed for some time.  After transmitting
> > >about 90% of the time there is a "No Rig" displayed for a brief moment
> > >and then the correct frequency is displayed.  This has been going on
> > >for many revisions.
> > >
> > >I have to believe there is some sort of polling problem and sure could
> > >use some help on this.
> > >
> > >Thanks to all.
> > >
> > >Dick W7ZR
> > >
> > >
> > >On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 18:27:31 -0600, George Skoubis
> > ><george.skoubis@verizon.net> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >>Dick,
> > >>
> > >> Do you have the setting on the IC-775 line (in the ports menu) set to
> > >>sync?
> > >>
> > >> Try that and see if it works.  It may be a communications problem
> > >>where the PW-1 / IC-775 / Writelog are trying to use the comm bus at the
> > >>same time and there are collisions.   I think sync tells Writelog to
> > >>wait until the channel is clear until it sends its command.
> > >>
> > >> Wayne explained the sync setting a few years ago but I've forgotten
> > >>since!
> > >>
> > >> Let me know if this helps.
> > >>
> > >>Thanks,
> > >>
> > >>George / KF9YR
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>-----Original Message-----
> > >>From: writelog-bounces@contesting.com
> > >>[mailto:writelog-bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Richard Zalewski
> > >>Sent: Monday, November 29, 2004 10:06 AM
> > >>To: Writelog
> > >>Subject: [WriteLog] Writelog-CT17-Radios
> > >>
> > >>This is the first time I have had a problem with this and looking for
> > >>some advice.  I use Writelog (Latest version) with an IC-775DSP and a
> > >>PW-1.  What I experienced all weekend in WW was when I clicked on a
> > >>spot I had to do multiple clicks before it would put the spot in the
> > >>entry window and change the frequency on the radio.  What I noticed on
> > >>the band map was that the frequency would change immediately and then
> > >>just as fast go back to the original frequency.  I would have to click
> > >>many times to get this to work.  I then tried it with the PW-1 off and
> > >>that seemed to fix the problem.  Frequency changes were immediate.
> > >>So, have I a bad CT-17?  I don't think so.  I changed the ports around
> > >>and it made no difference.  Any ideas, help, or incouragement would be
> > >>appreciated.  Note-this had worked before in multi-band contests and
> > >>this weekend I was single band.
> > >>
> > >>Dick W7ZR
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> --
> Tnx es 73
> Dick W7ZR
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Tnx es 73
Dick W7ZR
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