Larry's site has a small sample of transceiver measurements that show
the amplifier relay close to RF flow start:
http://www.w0qe.com/amplifier_timing.html
A great resource when you want to think about QSK
73
Jim W7RY
On 11/10/2013 7:39 AM, Larry Benko wrote:
Jim,
Relay contacts stick only if hot switching is involved in some way.
There is no mechanism for them to stick (unless the internal contact
pivot wears down to nothing or the spring fails) that does not involve
current. All relays are designed to be hot switched at some current
level (extremely low for many reed relays) and it is the job of the
relay manufacturer and product designed to get acceptable life out of
the chosen part. Yada, yada, yada.......
Now back to your issue. I have looked at several transceivers with a
logic analyzer trying to determine the RF sequencing vs the key line
to the amp. This value usually is controlled but I have seen on
several occasions where the microprocessor in the transceiver must be
busy or something where the timing is quite different. This type of
stuff is hard to find and can be the cause of apparently random
failures. Of course there are ways for an amp to guarantee no hot
switching but most do not spend the effort to do so. Will probably
never know what caused your failures. I do have an old Jennings RF1D
that I put 20 million cycles on it (via a tester) after I removed it
from a piece of equipment. The operate and release times were
virtually the same before and after my tests. The tester hot switched
the contacts at level less than 1mA.
73,
Larry, W0QE
On 11/9/2013 11:59 PM, Jim Brown wrote:
On 11/9/2013 10:38 PM, Larry Benko wrote:
What is failing on the relays? Is it the coil opening up, the
contacts sticking, the receive side contact appearing open, or the
pivot getting sloppy and the contacts bouncing too much?
My symptoms have been sticky contacts, mostly RX, but also TX. Since
I stopped doing QSK with my Titans (about 2007) I've yet to replace a
relay.
As to operations -- an active, aggressive contester will either CQ
constantly and hopefully send an exchange every 20-40 seconds, or
will search and pounce and do the same. I typically operate 24 hours
for Sweepstakes, 24-30 hours for DX contests, 14-16 hours in RAC,
IOTA, and WRTC contests and I work at least 12 such contests in a
year. As Bill has shown, that's a LOT of relay operations if you're
full QSK.
As a competitive contester, it's not the cost of the relay or even
the time to replace it, but simply that I don't want to have to lose
90-120 minutes of contest operating time while I do it. Being
analytical about it, the relays I've replaced have mostly been those
that came with the three 20-30 year old Titan 425s I bought used, so
perhaps it's only my contesting that pushed them over the edge. :)
73, Jim K9YC
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