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Re: [CQ-Contest] BOGUS QSO RATES!

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Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] BOGUS QSO RATES!
From: Gerry Hull <gerry@yccc.org>
Reply-to: w1ve@yccc.org
Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 09:53:52 -0500
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Craig,

Complaining about operating procedure is a mute point.   You can believe
that the list is bogus if you wish -- as others have pointed out, no one,
to anyone's knowledge, has ever been prosecuted by their licensing
authority for the chosen method of station identification.   You may
disagree with an operating technique, and I'm sure you'll have some people
in agreement

At a QSO rate of 450/hr, for example, that is an average of 8 seconds per
qso.  Very fast english can be spoken at 400 wpm or so, or 6 words per
second. (Let's assume each phonetic letter is a word)

With these numbers, you certainly have time to QSO with both callsigns and
the obligatory five-nine-nine-nine or whatever.

Why is it so hard to make these numbers?

Eliminating propagation issues, it's mistakes -- by both the runner and the
callers.

As a run op, you have to manage the pile.  It's a mistake to not identify
yourself enough.  Too little, and you get the same people calling again,
people asking for your call, etc.   If the run op is good, giving your call
each time is usually not the issue.

Having a smooth technique and a fast voice is really important, but, as I'm
sure N5TJ will tell you, it is a very symbiotic relationship between the
runner and the callers.   If the runner has a poor technique, the callees
get frustrated.  If the callees have poor technique, it's just not going to
be a great run.

We could go on all day about poor operating technique by callees.   But
that is another discussion.

No, I'm not on the list but working on it.  I had some 200+ hours in CQWW
SSB (Op at K2LE), but more work to do!  (Not bad for a CW guy).

73,

Gerry  W1VE / VE1RM



On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 1:15 PM, Craig Maxey <ah8dx@msn.com> wrote:

>
> Timo,
>
> I respect your list and every operator that has operated a contest but
> unfortunately this QSO RATE LIST is "BOGUS".
>
> In order to make each and every qso valid, you must identify your call
> sign. That is somewhere in your transmission while qso'ing with the other
> station. If you do not identify yourself properly with the call sign you
> are using, the qso in "INVALID".
>
> There is nothing worse during a contest than to come on a frequency and
> have an op running them at a high rate of speed only to give his call sign
> after he has worked 20 guys or so.
>
> I have made it a practice to identify with my call sign each and every
> time. You can record me running them in a contest to verify.
>
> The problem starts with the committtee; I guess since they don't do
> anything about it, it is ok.
>
> I find it interesting that the committee speaks about cheating but
> overlooks this basic cheating practice.
>
> www.ah8dx.wordpress.com
>
> I encourage operators in future contests to operate the correct way and
> uphold the ham operating standards on the band in order to keep the bands
> civilized. No wonder we hear so much crap on the air with guys operating
> however they wish.
>
> 73,
>
> Craig, AH8DX & 8R1EA
>
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