The Commission has stated that the purpose of the rule is to ensure that
pertinent information concerning the identity of a station is know.
According to the FCC in its proceeding In The Matter of Changes in Part 97
With Regard to Amateur Radio Services Rules, 22 FCC Rcd. 12730, the FCC
stated that the goal of the rule is to "to clearly make the identity of the
station transmitting known to those receiving the transmission." 22 FCC
Rcd. at 12731. I would argue that not giving it every 10 minutes violates
the goal. However, giving it every 30 seconds or so (which might entail two
intervening QSOs) satisfies the agency's goals.
Now some will disagree with this and take a more literal read of the regs.
However, bear in mind that that if you really, really wanted to be literal,
signing "dit dit" or saying "good luck" to somebody without then giving your
callsign would also violate 97.119(a).
Do you reallly want to go down that road???
Where there are issues with station ID regulations, the FCC stated that
"that the problem of station operators not complying with the present rule
is better addressed by enforcement of the present rule, rather than a rule
change." Id. I spoke of this earlier in this conversation, and I have yet
to have anyone cite me an instance in the last 30 years where the FCC has
cited a contest station for failure to abide by the Sec. 97.119.
73 Rich NN3W
iginal Message -----
From: "Dennis Younker NE6I" <ne6i@cox.net>
Cc: <cq-contest@contesting.com>
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2011 10:03 PM
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] BOGUS QSO RATES!
> FCC Rules Section 97.119 states:
>
> "Each amateur station, except a space station or telecommand station, must
> transmit its assigned call sign on its transmitting
> channel at the end of each communication, and at least every 10 minutes
> during a communication, for the purpose of clearly making
> the source of the transmissions from the station known to those receiving
> the transmissions."
>
> Depending on the definition of "each communication", it's possible that
> those FCC licensed stations that don't identify after each QSO are in fact
> in violation of FCC rules And since most contest rules state that the
> participant must abide by the rules of his/her licensing authority, the
> station would also be in violation of those contest rules.
>
> --Dennis, NE6I
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David Gilbert" <xdavid@cis-broadband.com>
> To: "Craig Maxey" <ah8dx@msn.com>
> Cc: <cq-contest@contesting.com>
> Sent: Monday, November 07, 2011 9:45 AM
> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] BOGUS QSO RATES!
>
>
>>
>>
>> Actually, I can think of some things considerably worse during a contest
>> than someone not giving their callsign every QSO. Among them would be
>> having a trashy signal more than 5 KHz wide or having somebody try to
>> chase you off your run frequency by just plopping down and calling CQ.
>>
>> More to the point, though, there doesn't appear to be any evidence at
>> all that giving your callsign every contact in a contest is a firm
>> requirement of either the FCC or the contests sponsors. In spite of the
>> literally tens of thousands of patently obvious occurrences in every
>> major contest, have you ever heard of anyone being cited or DQ'd for
>> it? Have you ever even seen an official position taken on it? The ARRL
>> doesn't even address the subject in their white paper on proper HF
>> contesting. CQWW has been using digital full spectrum SDR recordings
>> of contests to look for rule violations ... how many entries do you
>> think they flagged for not sending their callsign every contact?
>>
>> I always find it amusing when people wrap their perception or opinion on
>> an ambiguous topic with the words "the correct way".
>>
>> To be fair, I too find it extremely frustrating to tune across a station
>> with a pileup (figuring it might be a possible new multiplier) and then
>> have to wait several QSOs to find out his callsign, but I consider that
>> to be a lack of courtesy on the part of the running station and if he
>> persists I just refuse to work him ... then or later. However, I also
>> find it frustrating (and I suspect the pileup does as well) to hear a
>> running station send something like "TEST de ZZ8/XX8ABC" after every
>> contact. It slows everyone down as badly as having to wait a QSO or two
>> to find out the callsign. It seems to me that good "ham operating
>> practice" in a contest means maximizing the QSO rate for everyone
>> involved, including the majority of the callers. When I'm running a
>> frequency I consider it to be my obligation to get everyone on their way
>> as soon as possible, which just happens to maximize my rate as well.
>> That typically requires me to send my callsign often, but not
>> necessarily every QSO.
>>
>> Dave AB7E
>>
>>
>> On 11/6/2011 11:15 AM, Craig Maxey wrote:
>>> Timo,
>>>
>>> I respect your list and every operator that has operated a contest but
>>> unfortunately this QSO RATE LIST is "BOGUS".
>>>
>>> In order to make each and every qso valid, you must identify your call
>>> sign. That is somewhere in your transmission while qso'ing with the
>>> other
>>> station. If you do not identify yourself properly with the call sign you
>>> are using, the qso in "INVALID".
>>>
>>> There is nothing worse during a contest than to come on a frequency and
>>> have an op running them at a high rate of speed only to give his call
>>> sign after he has worked 20 guys or so.
>>>
>>> I have made it a practice to identify with my call sign each and every
>>> time. You can record me running them in a contest to verify.
>>>
>>> The problem starts with the committtee; I guess since they don't do
>>> anything about it, it is ok.
>>>
>>> I find it interesting that the committee speaks about cheating but
>>> overlooks this basic cheating practice.
>>>
>>> www.ah8dx.wordpress.com
>>>
>>> I encourage operators in future contests to operate the correct way and
>>> uphold the ham operating standards on the band in order to keep the
>>> bands
>>> civilized. No wonder we hear so much crap on the air with guys operating
>>> however they wish.
>>>
>>> 73,
>>>
>>> Craig, AH8DX& 8R1EA
>>>
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