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One antenna that does work well even over poor ground is a 4-square with 
elevated radials, preferably above .05 wavelength in height.  In my case 
I changed to a different design - instead of orienting the elements in a 
1/4 wavelength "box", I use custom designed 3/16 wavelength spacing to 
give a broader pattern which allows me to better hear/work ZS, Southern 
Africa and UA0 when pointed at Europe. 
73
Bob, KQ2M
On 2024-07-24 12:40, Jim Brown wrote:
 
On 7/24/2024 9:46 AM, sawyered@earthlink.net wrote:
 
If your ground is poor – stick with the inverted vee.  If more local
contacts are important – stick with the inverted vee.
In my opinion, there is no reason to put up the more complex Delta 
Loop and 
not make it a vertically polarized antenna.
 
Hi Ed,
You cited the most important reason in the paragraph above -- 
vertically polarized antennas are strongly dependent on good soil to 
work well, horizontal antennas don't care what the soil is, they only 
care about height. Poor soil is a VERY good reason to NOT bother with 
any vertically polarized antenna. 
73, Jim K9YC
 
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