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Re: [VHFcontesting] An idea for the sprints.

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Subject: Re: [VHFcontesting] An idea for the sprints.
From: Ed Kucharski <k3dne@comcast.net>
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2020 09:53:09 -0400 (EDT)
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I'm gonna have to disagree with Chet. 4 hours seems like the perfect time 
period for a sprint. In fact, I ran out of time in the 2m sprint trying to work 
stations at 22:59. I consider a marathon a 48 hour HF contest or the ARRL VHF 
contests - not a 4 hour sprint. Perhaps, if some think 4 hours is too long, 
additional sprints can be devised (mini-sprints)? A separate 1 or 2 hour event 
that would be in addition to the sprints that already exist at a different time 
of year - similar to the CW Ops Test (CWT) that are of a 1 hour duration or 
Phone Fray a 30 minute contest on HF. IMHO FT8 is so slow I'm not sure 1 hour 
would be long enough on vhf+.
73,
Ed K3DNE
EM94

>     On 10/02/2020 9:24 AM Chet S < chetsubaccount@snet.net 
> mailto:chetsubaccount@snet.net > wrote:
> 
> 
>     Hi Dave,
> 
>     Many contests suffer the tapering off of activity after a while. Monday 
> night football, super-bowls, debates, Sunday afternoon sweepstakes doldrums, 
> family time, etc.
>     And nowadays we are constantly pressed to add something "new and better" 
> into our lives, and if we take more on, then there is less relax time for our 
> other stuff.
> 
>     Maybe I'm old school but still highly enjoy hearing a weak signal, 
> turning the beam to peak it, and trying to work it. Ahhh, that xyz station 
> improvement I made this summer is working...or not...or pick a beam direction 
> and go fishing to see what you can catch. Make your own decisions when and 
> whether to call toward a population density direction or toward missing 
> grids. SSB vs. FT8. To me that is the name of the game. I do not like the 
> idea of pre-arranged contacts or arranging them in real time, that seems more 
> like DXing than Contesting and not very satisfying.
> 
>     The sprints are a good fun break from the workday, but are 4 hours a bit 
> much? It's supposed to be a sprint not a marathon, so maybe with shorter 
> hours the station activity would be more consistent throughout.
> 
>     73,
>     Chet, N8RA
> 
> 
> 
>     -----Original Message-----
>     From: VHFcontesting < 
> vhfcontesting-bounces+chetsubaccount=snet.net@contesting.com 
> mailto:vhfcontesting-bounces+chetsubaccount=snet.net@contesting.com > On 
> Behalf Of David Olean
>     Sent: Thursday, October 1, 2020 5:01 PM
>     To: (Radio) VHF Contesting < VHFcontesting@contesting.com 
> mailto:VHFcontesting@contesting.com >; 222 MHz ACTIVITY < 
> 222Activity@Groups.io mailto:222Activity@Groups.io >
>     Subject: [VHFcontesting] An idea for the sprints.
> 
>     It isn't much of an idea, more a suggestion, to not abandon the VHF 
> sprints when activity dies down after the initial spurt of activity. I was 
> not a big fan of opening up chat pages for coordination of contacts in VHF 
> contests. My reasoning was that it favored stations that had good internet 
> connectivity and penalized those that did not.
> 
>     That being said, we now have the ability to set up schedules for almost 
> impossible contacts simply by coordinating on internet sites dedicated to 
> such things. So why did everyone bail out after an hour or so on the
>     222 Sprint? The few diehards left were ones that I had already contacted. 
> It would have been great to try some long haul tropo contacts on CW or even 
> FT4/FT8 with stations that are normally not in range. Trying and failing at a 
> 400+ mile QSO with a 25 watt station or trying a meteor scatter contact is 
> much more agreeable than spending an hour calling CQ and tuning around on a 
> almost empty band with no takers and no results. A few posts for skeds by 
> several of the diehards also went unheeded towards the latter half of the 
> sprint. The last hour, when things die down is the time to experiment and see 
> what your station can do even if it is outside of your comfort zone. The 
> worst that can happen is that the path does not work! Then, there is the 
> problem of which chat page to monitor. Having poor connectivity makes 
> monitoring a number of them impossible for many operators. On a good day, I 
> might be able to cover two chat pages. We should set up a standardization for 
> the sprints so
>     people are all looking at the same place.
> 
>     So next time, think twice about quitting early! Do something exciting 
> instead.
> 
>     73
> 
>     Dave K1WHS
> 
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