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Subject: [AMPS] 811H's on CB
From: wy6k@yahoo.com (michael watts)
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 15:58:53 -0700 (PDT)
You misunderstand the point of my suggestion to
license the "use" of the amp.  It was not my intention
to imply that CBers would refrain from using such an
amp because the of the license agreement, per se. 
Indeed, such a person has already demonstrated no
respect for the law.

The purpose was simply to give the manufacturer a
clear cut legal right to refuse to perform service on
such an amp - while not exposing the manufacturer to
lawsuits of any kind, such as ones that allege unequal
treatment or breach of warranty.  This would help keep
reputable manufacturers from being pressed into the
role of accessories.

The CBers who could not get their amps fixed would,
perhaps, not get back on the air illegally.  At the
least, they would find one new impediment to doing so.
 

Mike Wy6k
--- Jeff Wolf <da_kang@hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
> >'m disturbed by the posts from our "friend" in
> Texas that a lot of
> >11H amplifiers are turning up on CB.
> 
> Well, design the amplifier so it isn't so easy to
> modify for 10/11 meter 
> operation.  Simple enough fix.  The "green wire"
> modification was so simple 
> that most CBers that wanna run high power can figure
> it out for themselves.
> 
> 
> 
> >'m trying to think of a solution for this problem.
> 
> C'mon Tom, it isn't hard.  Take the input
> transformer out.  Make it a "kit", 
> available to amateur radio operators only.  This
> isn't rocket science..  You 
> telling me that you can't figure out how to take 10
> meters out of an 
> amplifier, and make it a plug in module, but you can
> design a multiband 
> amplifier?
> 
> 
> >'m considering suggesting parts be left out, and
> made available
> >rom the factory only with a copy of a valid amateur
> license.
> 
> A La other manufacturers.  This idea works well.  It
> keeps the amps off the 
> 11 meter band (God forbid one of the Cbers run a
> clean amplifier...) and if 
> a licensed amateur can't figure out how to solder in
> a input transformer, or 
> a slug tuned coil (or just air wound, for that
> matter), they have no 
> business operating at the hundred watt level, much
> less 600+.
> 
> 
> >In addition perhaps adding a notice in each
> amplifier that any use
> >without proof of a license will void all warranty,
> and having all tech
> >support require proof of a license.
> 
> 
> This is going to accomplish nothing.  As well as to
> the gentlemen that said 
> you should look into patents on the "use".  C'mon. 
> Do you honestly think 
> that a CBer is going to not use an amplifier because
> the licensing of the 
> purchase of the amplifier states he can't?
> 
> I mean really now.  Lets look at this from a reality
> standpoint, rather than 
> the pipe dreams.  If your honestly going to persue
> that method, keep the 
> green wire in their...  It will be MORE effective.
> 
> 
> >Does anyone have any suggestions for a possible
> solution? The
> >last thing we need is the FCC finding that the
> rules they have now
> >aren't doing the job.
> 
> 
> Sorry Tom, I don't buy it.  Honestly, it sounds like
> a design engineer that 
> is scared that the thought of the simple "green
> wire" mod getting to be 
> public knowlege will get back to the FCC, and they
> will make you change it, 
> or you will face retribution because of making a
> modification to operate on 
> 11 meters too easy.  When I first found out about
> the "green wire", I 
> laughed, and my first thought was "This has to be
> done for CBers"....  
> Wether that was your intention or not, the
> simplicity of it gives the 
> impression.
> 
> As for the rules they have now not doing the job? 
> Your right, they don't.  
> Why do you need an amp that can be driven with 35
> watts to do legal limit?  
> (a la dual 3CX800 amps)?  I can get any single final
> CB radio to do 20 or so 
> watts cleanly, and the dual final radios would have
> no problem obtaining 
> legal limit from one of these.  last time I checked,
> most amateur 
> transcievers put out 100 watts PEP (I know, their
> are exceptions, but the 
> big Jap ones most all do)...  Seems to me the only
> reason for the lower 
> drive level (by design) is to get MORE than legal
> limit with full (or higher 
> than recommended) drive.  The AL1500 says it can do
> 2200+ with the 100 watts 
> my TS440 puts out.  Why even advertise that? 
> Because it is a selling 
> feature..  To the amateur who cares about quality,
> it means the amp is 
> overbuilt (that could be argued both ways), and to
> the one looking to 
> operate illegally, QRO, it means they can buy a
> AL1500 (or most any other 
> 8877 amp, for that matter..  I really am NOT trying
> to pick on Ameritron 
> amps.) and get half a S unit greater signal than the
> guy next door running 
> the 3CX1200 with 100 watts more drive.
> 
> 
> >Or do you all think the fellow in Texas is just
> trolling for a fight or
> >enjoys insults, and it isn't really a problem?
> 
> Sorry Tom, I tell it like it is.  Up until this
> point, the reflector hasn't 
> had the outlook from the 11 meter crowd  (be that
> good or bad).  From the 
> day I saw the Ameritron amps, I have always thought
> that your "budget line" 
> was destined to be in the hands of CBers. 
> (especially with the "green 
> wire")  6LQ6 tubes, 811As...  The price is right,
> and they will be used.
> 
> However, look at the flip side..  Take the "bargain
> basement" prices and 
> models away, and ALL the CBers are going to be
> running the crap DaveMades 
> and other no biased or Class C junk, and tearing up
> 10 meters worse than the 
> freebanders running the FT1000s and 8877 amps are
> today.
> 
> Toll Free
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 73, Tom W8JI
> w8ji@contesting.com
> 
>
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