> ORIGINAL MESSAGE:
>
> On Sat, 5 Sep 2009 11:39:30 -0700, MIKE DURKIN <patriot121@msn.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >New question .... im using a MFJ 259 analyzer to check the input C-L-C
> >network's for each band ... and its not good.
> >The question is - does not having plate voltage affect the input impedance
> >and frequency that much ( alot !!!) - im thinking that the input caps have
> >been overloaded and now cooked ( wich might mean that the tubes in this amp
> >were over driven too )
>
> REPLY:
>
> This is a grounded grid amp, right?
yes
>The input impedance of a single 3-500Z will
> be on the order of 115 ohms according to the Eimac data sheet, but this is
> only
> when cathode current is flowing. If there are two tubes, the value is about
> half
> that, 57.5 ohms. About 90-95% of the input impedance comes from "modulating"
> the
> cathode current with the drive signal, so when the amp is unpowered, any input
> impedance measurement will be way off.
The tubes are powered (2X 3-500Z) .... just no plate voltage. And the MFJ uses
RF in its measurements ... Are you saying that the signal level is too low?
>
> To tune your input circuit, remove all power from the tube but leave the tube
> in
> the socket. Connect a non-inductive 115 (or 57.5) ohm resistor from cathode to
> ground and then use the MFJ-259 to tune for minimum SWR.
>
> If you don't have an exact value resistor, use something close for initial
> tune
> up. Either way, make the final adjustment with an SWR bridge and the tube
> running at full power.
Nope .. wish i had some thing close .. even semi close. Mabey a pair of 100ohm
..mabey.Full power ?? is the drive that critical for input measurements?? at
what level does the accuracy drop by 10% ??Still wondring if the plate voltage
is critical for input adjustments.The input Interelectrode Capacitance1
(Grounded Grid Connection) is listed as 10.5pf. That dosent seem to be a huge
amount compared to the value given for the C-L-C = 100pf/unknown
henry's/150pf-Variable for 10m for instance.
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