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Re: [Amps] HV transformer and Variac

To: ros@netbox.com, amps@contesting.com
Subject: Re: [Amps] HV transformer and Variac
From: Gerald Williamson via Amps <amps@contesting.com>
Reply-to: TexasRF@aol.com
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2015 10:14:00 -0400
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Hi Ros, to split hairs here, one would say the autotransformer would loose  
very little efficiency. As you know, when there is copper wire and there is 
 current, there will be a loss of current squared times resistance.
 
The majority of the current would be in the turns of the autotransformer  
between the input and output terminals so the loss would be related to the 
input  to output voltage ratio. 
 
That is my personal understanding and subject to correction.
 
73,
Gerald K5GW
 
 
 
 
 
In a message dated 7/23/2015 8:26:29 A.M. Central Daylight Time,  
ros@netbox.com writes:

First,  the Variac is not a transformer in the classical sense, it is an  
autoformer or auto-trans-former.  It will not lose efficiency. Here  is a 
schematic of one and perhaps you can see why it won't lose  efficiency.

A common transformer has less efficiency than an autoformer  due to core 
loses, eddy currents, hysteresis, more heat (I2R losses),  etc.



Ros, W5BRY




On 7/22/2015 8:28 PM, Steve  Bookout wrote:
> Hello all,
>
> Thanks to everyone for the  informative responses.  Although I've now 
> got more info to use  in order to figure out what I am going to do, I'm 
> not sure what that  will be.
>
> It's really just a bit 'hot' for my needs and if I  turn it down with a 
> variac, regulation may suffer.  I do have a  stack of two variacs on a 
> common shaft, and although they are large,  I don't know what their 
> actual specs are.  Something for me to  check.
>
> 73 de Steve, NR4M
>
> On 7/21/2015 03:03 ,  Steve Bookout wrote:
>> Hello all.
>>
>> Question  for the experts.
>>
>> How does using a Variac to control  the output of a HV transformer 
>> affect things like  efficiency?
>>
>> I think it would be reasonable to think  that a transformer operated 
>> at less than rated input voltage  would be less efficient than one run 
>> at full primary  voltage.  I mean, it cost 'something' just to make a 
>>  transformer act like a transformer.
>>
>> I ask because I  have a perfectly fine 'pole pig' transformer rated at 
>> 5  KVA.  7200 AC volts on the output (reversed) is a bit much for my  
>> needs, so was wondering what the trade-off would be if it were  run at 
>> considerably less than 220 input.
>>
>>  I can see this is a better xformer for a 4cx10000, than anything I  
>> would be using, but I have what I have.
>>
>>  73 de Steve, NR4M
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