Patrick,
I did not include OM Power or Acom because neither of them make and amp with
the 3CX1500A7. They use the afore mentioned dirty, evil, Russian or Chinese
tetrodes. If I'm not mistaken Acom's newest amplifier is an SSPA.
-----Original Message-----
From: Patrick [mailto:hkman@comcast.net]
Sent: Monday, December 25, 2017 11:39 AM
To: kstover@ac0h.net
Subject: RE: [Amps] NXP 65V LDMOS 1K80H-1800W
I must have missed something because ALPHA and Ameritron are not the only
tube amplifier manufactures, ACOM and OM Power have turned out several
models of tube amplifiers over the years and they are still turning them out
today. The amplifiers that both of these companies manufacture are very
good. That doesn't include the guys that are turning out the custom built
tube amplifiers for their private customers.
I think that tube amplifiers will be around for a long time after I am gone
and I have a very good stock of 8877 tubes that will outlive me.
As long as the Chinese can make a buck they will continue to make power
tubes and continue to get better at it.
Pat W1KA
-----Original Message-----
From: Amps [mailto:amps-bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf Of
kstover@ac0h.net
Sent: Monday, December 25, 2017 10:02 AM
To: 'Jim W7RY'; 'Amps group'
Subject: Re: [Amps] NXP 65V LDMOS 1K80H-1800W
I did not even bother with eBay as no manufacturer will source parts from
e-Bay.
I did find an 3CX1500A7 on eBay for $1775. 10 people are actually watching
it.
If I'm buying a new amplifier for $8K (Alpha 9500) it better haver a brand
spanking new tube in it.
How can you tell by looking at it that a tube is NOS or used?
Ameritron's plain Jane AL-1500 with an Eimac tube is $900 more than the same
amp with the Chinese tube, so there is a sizable premium.
Either way tubes are on their way out of the amateur market
What are we down to now for tube amp manufacturers? One and a half,
Ameritron and Alpha?
There has been two new tube amps brought to market in the last 15 years, the
Alpha 9500 and 8410 but it doesn't count because it uses those pesky evil
Chinese tetrodes. Other than that they've ALL been SSPA's. The top of the
line SPE and the KPA1500 include auto-tuners. The one in the Elecraft is
exceptional.
From: Jim W7RY [mailto:jimw7ry@gmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2017 8:30 PM
To: kstover@ac0h.net; 'Amps group' <amps@contesting.com>
Subject: Re: [Amps] NXP 65V LDMOS 1K80H-1800W
How much for an 8877? And this is a 3CPX1500!
https://www.ebay.com/itm/3CPX1500A7-NEW-RLM-MICROWAVE-Special-Red-Series-Buy
-it-NOW-375-World-Ship-65/192407593638?_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIM.M
BE%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D41375%26meid%3D2f7dd19722d0408dbe76d81dad15c1fb%26pid%3D
100005%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D192407638661
<https://www.ebay.com/itm/3CPX1500A7-NEW-RLM-MICROWAVE-Special-Red-Series-Bu
y-it-NOW-375-World-Ship-65/192407593638?_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIM.
MBE%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D41375%26meid%3D2f7dd19722d0408dbe76d81dad15c1fb%26pid%3
D100005%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D192407638661&_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m185
1> &_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851
Hardly $1399.00
73
Jim W7RY
Merry Christmas
-----Original Message-----
From: kstover@ac0h.net <mailto:kstover@ac0h.net>
Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2017 8:09 PM
To: 'Bill Turner' ; 'Amps group'
Subject: Re: [Amps] NXP 65V LDMOS 1K80H-1800W
What happens when they quit making tubes?
I can think of one company making a CCS rated tube final amp (Alpha) and
they are hanging on by a thumb nail with their $6K amplifier. The 9500 won't
do CCS RTTY or FM at 1500 watts without auxiliary cooling for the power
supply.
Ameritron amps are not CCS rated, read the manuals. OM Power may be CCS
rated but they use those evil noisy Russian tetrodes. The blowers in these
amps are all famous for sounding like a Bell Jet Ranger lighting up but it's
the noise that SSPA's make that always gets thrown out. Elecraft is testing
a new cooling system for the KPA1500. New fans that turn slower, make less
noise and cool the amp just as well.
Any company producing an SS amp running 1.5Kw out with just one of these
LDMOS devices are idiots.
Everybody but SPE are using two.
I just looked at the price for a new matched pair of RF Parts 3-500ZG's.
$400. A new Eimac 8877 will set you back $1399, a pair of the these LDMOS
devices, depending on dissipation and voltage rating are a push for a pair
new 3-500's. These are all new prices.
The Chinese versions of the tubes are cheaper, about 50% cheaper, but they
could be gone tomorrow depending on which way the wind blows.
Point to all this is SSPA's are the future, like it or not.
-----Original Message-----
From: Amps [mailto:amps-bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Bill Turner
Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2017 5:16 PM
To: Amps group <amps@contesting.com <mailto:amps@contesting.com> >
Subject: Re: [Amps] NXP 65V LDMOS 1K80H-1800W
------------ ORIGINAL MESSAGE ------------(may be snipped)
On Sun, 24 Dec 2017 08:49:23 -0800, Jim wrote:
>## I would like to see what both these amp manufacturers have to say
about duty cycle.
>If they are 1.5 kw ICAS, I will pass on em for now, not for the $7K
price tag.
REPLY:
Before anyone gets too enraptured over SS amps, you might want to reconsider
the advantages of tube type amps:
1. With a pi or pi-L tank, no antenna tuner is required up to SWR of about
3:1.
2. Likewise, no low pass filters.
3. Much more resistant to accidental overloads.
4. Heat dissipation is easy.
5. Usually cost less unless you want autotune.
6. 1.5 kW CCS is easily achievable, i.e. a single 8877 pr pair of 3-500Z's.
The most common limiting factor is the power supply, not the tube.
Drawbacks:
1. Warm up time with some tubes. Not an issue with 3-500Z's or other
filament-type tubes.
2. The cheaper ones are all manual tune.
You pays your money and takes your choice.
73, Bill W6WRT
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