I would be willing to bet a plaque that getscores will never change the
outcome of any contest even if everyone was required to use it.
Kelly Taylor wrote:
> With all due respect to everyone involved, I'm no more convinced today that
> getscores is an instrument for cheating than I was yesterday, when I thought
> the issue was a non-starter.
>
> Can you see your rival's score? Yes. Can you see which band he's on? Yes.
>
> Does that matter? I'm not convinced. Perhaps its my relative isolation that
> colours my opinion, but it's of absolutely no value to me whatsoever to know
> that while I'm plugging away at 60/hr on a dead 20, K1TTT is racking up Qs
> on10 meters like there's no tomorrow.
>
> But even if I'm in New England and privy to the same propagation as Dave, if
> I'm at all competitive with him, I moved to 10 about the same time he did.
> Maybe I'm a bit more savvy and got there first. But if I'm not savvy enough
> to know propagation from my area as well as he does, or savvy enough to have
> another receiver to listen for openings, I'm probably not a savvy enough
> operator to be in his leagues anyway. So what's the issue? It's not like
> knowing that a band is open is going to make me proficient at working it.
> And if he's beating me on the knowledge of propagation issue, he's probably
> cleaning my clock on other skills in contesting too.
>
> I suspect that getscores will provide more benefit overall to contesting
> than whatever negatives the risk of it being used to cheat may arise.
>
> 73, kelly
> ve4xt
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Robert Naumann" <w5ov@w5ov.com>
> To: "'Robert Chudek - K0RC'" <k0rc@pclink.com>; <cq-contest@contesting.com>
> Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2008 4:58 PM
> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Getscores.org Changes/Improvements...
>
>
>
> I'm sorry - I thought you were responding to my message where I pointed out
> that the potential of using of using scoreboard to cheat is an issue.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Robert Chudek - K0RC [mailto:k0rc@pclink.com]
> Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2008 2:38 PM
> To: Robert Naumann; cq-contest@contesting.com
> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Getscores.org Changes/Improvements...
>
> I didn't say cheating was a non-issue. I said the scoreboard is a non-issue.
>
> 73 de Bob - KØRC in MN
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Robert Naumann" <w5ov@w5ov.com>
> To: "'Robert Chudek - K0RC'" <k0rc@pclink.com>; <cq-contest@contesting.com>
> Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2008 1:54 PM
> Subject: RE: [CQ-Contest] Getscores.org Changes/Improvements...
>
>
>
> How is cheating a non-issue?
>
> I am anxious to be better informed.
>
> 73,
>
> Bob W5OV
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Robert Chudek - K0RC [mailto:k0rc@pclink.com]
> Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2008 11:39 AM
> To: cq-contest@contesting.com
> Subject: [CQ-Contest] Getscores.org Changes/Improvements...
>
> Bob - W5OV wrote:
>
> "As a Single-Op, I could watch what a multi-multi is doing (who is posting
> their breakdown) on which bands and make my band selection based on that
> information. If I'm running on 20, and I see their qso count increasing on
> 15, I would know that 15 is now open. This might be a tactical error, but it
> is also cheating (a moral error) if I am claiming single op unassisted."
>
>
>
> This is a non-issue. I don't need a scoreboard to tell me what band is hot.
> Every DX contest, in the morning, I can hear the East Coast running EU at
> high rates. There is no propagation from EU into the Midwest so I just have
> to suck it up and plug along on the bands that are open into this area. The
> scoreboard will only confirm what I already know.
>
> In my opinion, the scoreboard is a tool to stimulate the "average" contester
> to spend more time in the chair. I have participated in events where I would
> have turned off the radio and gone to bed, but the competitor on the line
> above or below me was still plugging away. I didn't want to come back in the
> morning to find out they had surged ahead to a position I could no longer
> challenge. The information kept me on the air longer. There was a small
> surge of adrenaline each time the scoreboard updated and I saw my new
> position.
>
> The scoreboard is not going to change the positions of the top ten
> contenders, no matter how much anyone thinks it will. If you think it will,
> then the scoreboards should be removed from the horse race tracks too. We
> could ask the jockeys how much influence the scoreboard has on the race
> outcome or cheating?
>
> 73 de Bob - KØRC in MN
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