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Subject: [CQ-Contest] Public Log
From: "G4MKP" <g4mkp@blueyonder.co.uk>
Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2008 16:13:39 -0000
List-post: <cq-contest@contesting.com">mailto:cq-contest@contesting.com>
Having digested my Christmas lunch and the responses to my question: why
making contest logs is such an emotive subject. Demonstrably there are no
compelling arguments either for or against. 

Randy, maintain the status quo or publish - it's your train set. 

Cheers,

Terry
G4MKP

Ps: the ham has gone down very well with the family. I have about 3lb left.




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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: Public Log (James Duffey)
   2. pulic logs - I agree w/K1AR (kr2q@optimum.net)
   3. EU HF Championship & SCC RTTY Championship 2008 results
      (Robert Bajuk)
   4. Re: Contest DxPed amp (Vladimir Sidorov)
   5. Re: Public Logs (Sandy Taylor)
   6. It's Almost Here-The Stew Perry TopBand Test (Lew Sayre)
   7. Re: EU HF Championship & SCC RTTY Championship 2008       results
      (Andrei Stchislenok)
   8. MnQP chatter... (Robert Chudek - K0RC)
   9. Re: Public Logs (K0HB)
  10. Re: [YCCC] Stew Perry Topband Challenge on real time      scores!
      (Ron Rossi)
  11. Re: Public Logs (w1md@cfl.rr.com)
  12. 2008 9A CW - All 3830 Claimed Scores 26Dec2008 (mwdink@eskimo.com)
  13. 2008 OK RTTY - All 3830 Claimed Scores 26Dec2008
      (mwdink@eskimo.com)


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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2008 10:00:30 -0700
From: James Duffey <JamesDuffey@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Public Log
To: CQ-Contest@contesting.com
Cc: James Duffey <JamesDuffey@comcast.net>, w3pp.dallas@gmail.com
Message-ID: <500AD55A-FBB7-4BB4-8208-FF7E7E8892D3@comcast.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes

Dallas - You wrote:
"The one point that I have not seen profered is, if the logs have been  
adjudicated by the contest committee, why would you want/need to see  
them. In otherwords, what's in it for you to see my logs?"

Well, for one thing, it will satisfy my curiosity. For example, if I  
am sure that I worked you, and got a NIL from the log checkers for our  
QSO, I really want to know what is in your log when I thought we worked.

Expanding on this point, publishing logs will let anyone check the  
checkers. It will make the log checking process open to all. It will  
make the log checkers directly accountable their actions. For ARRL  
contests the log checkers word is law; they will not entertain  
questions about rejected QSOs. Now, there is no recourse to verify  
that what they have checked has been checked correctly. It is like a  
court of law that only publishes the verdict. I understand why this is  
so, but I think that it is dangerous that a group who has so much  
power makes decisions that cannot be verified. I do not think that  
they abuse this power now, in fact, I think that they do a great job.  
That may not always be the case however. Publishing logs opens the log  
checking to scrutiny from anyone and that is good.

A second thing. If I am interested in how a rule change will affect  
scores, complete logs that are available to anyone is the best way to  
do this. Now the only way to accomplish this is to ask for volunteers  
to rescore their log. One does not get a representative sample that way.

My main interest in contesting is as a VHF/UHF rover, so I come at the  
problem from that perspective. Just my two dits worth. - Duffey

--
KK6MC
James Duffey
Cedar Crest NM







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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2008 18:29:36 +0000 (GMT)
From: kr2q@optimum.net
Subject: [CQ-Contest] pulic logs - I agree w/K1AR
To: cq-contest@contesting.com
Message-ID: <e4df98ab241a.4953d110@optonline.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

Yes, this HAS been beaten to death.  (caps for emphasis, not yelling)

The earliest comment I can find in the archive is from 1994:
http://lists.contesting.com/archives//html/CQ-Contest/1994-10/msg00068.html

A "good" posting is from Dick Norton dated "way back when" where Dick states
some opinions
and cites an article on OPEN LOGS in March/April NCJ 1991.
http://lists.contesting.com/archives//html/CQ-Contest/1994-10/msg00077.html

More recently---
>From 2008, this was beaten to death again in March and end of August -
Beginning of Sept.

In case you missed it, here was my contribution back then:
http://lists.contesting.com/archives//html/CQ-Contest/2008-03/msg00041.html

OF NOTE,

1.  Since my post cited above, ARRL has rescinded its opinion that QSOs from
public logs
won't be accepted for DXCC credit.  Nice.

2.  The comment about "Hans" in the cited post was applicable back then, not
now.

Maybe the list moderators could limit the certain categories of posts to
"once a year?"
a.  open logs
b.  cut numbers
c.  stealing my frequency or other "rude" behavior
d.  lots of the others.....

MX es HNY!
de Doug KR2Q


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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2008 22:35:37 +0100
From: "Robert Bajuk" <rbajuk@gmail.com>
Subject: [CQ-Contest] EU HF Championship & SCC RTTY Championship 2008
        results
To: rtty@hamradio.si, cq-contest@contesting.com, 3830@contesting.com
Message-ID:
        <a93b89e00812251335r6ac09171v4a91a26caf26240b@mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

Hello contesters,

Here is your Christmas gift from Slovenia Contest Club :-)

The results of the 2008 EU HF Championship & SCC RTTY Championship are
now ready and available on the SCC home page.

http://lea.hamradio.si/scc/

As the previous years we want results to be transparent - all UBN
files are public and open to all, accessible with the "click"
on the desired callsign in results listing.

Hope to see you in SCC Contests in 2009.

Wish you a Merry Xmass & Happy Year 2009!


73 Robert, S57AW
SCC Contest director


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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2008 13:57:59 -0500
From: "Vladimir Sidorov" <vs_otw@rogers.com>
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Contest DxPed amp
To: <cq-contest@contesting.com>
Message-ID: <051A7243252747D99D3FB37BCFBCD5D3@PC240214425287>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
        reply-type=original

Tom,

The solid state Icom IC-PW1 is doing a great job for me for everything, 
CW/SSB and even RTTY at full circle for the whole 48 hrs non stop. It IS 
100% automatic. Having used for that things like grid dissipation, etc, 
sound, ehhh, quite strange or obsolete, whatever you call it. The PA follows

bands' change and tunes to your freq automatically and instantly, it even 
follows the freq change along the band. They say, a rig with the PW1 makes 
the combo a 1 KW transceiver. This is/are the pro(s).

The cons.
1. It is not that cheap (you may check the Canadian prices).
2. It is a 1KW PA, not more. Some people try to get more that 1KW and reach 
1.2 KW or so. For some time. Then they get problems (see the ch.1 above).

Go figure.

Happy holidays,

73,
Vladimir VE3IAE

---








----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Georgens, Tom" <Tom.Georgens@netapp.com>
To: <cq-contest@contesting.com>
Sent: Monday, December 22, 2008 12:56 PM
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Contest DxPed amp


> What has been the contest community's experience with solid state amps
> for heavy duty contesting?
>
> I have often thought about the convenience of no tune amps for my
> contest station.  It is also nice to have lighter models in case I have
> to bring them home for repair.  My current amps (AL1200 and TenTec
> Centurion) have been very reliable recently but are not easy to bring
> home for repair.  I have spare transformers for each at home to make
> transport easier, but the AL1200 is relatively large.
>
> Is auto tune in these amps a requirement for stabilty/reliablitly as my
> antennas are reasonably matched?  I have other means of providing SWR
> protection in the event of a failure.
>
> Is the cooling sufficient for full bore operation (no RTTY) in a hot
> room?
>
> Does ALC work well enough to protect the amps from overdrive without
> having to touch it every time you change bands?  This would defeat some
> of the automation of the no tune amps.
>
> The tube amps are not exactly convenient, but it has been a few years
> since I had one fail during a contest.  I would hate to give that up as
> my environment, long times between use and very hot and humid, is not
> conductive to amp reliability.
>
> 73 and Happy Holidays
>
> Tom W2SC 8P5A
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: kr2q@optimum.net [mailto:kr2q@optimum.net]
> Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2008 5:40 PM
> To: cq-contest@contesting.com
> Subject: [CQ-Contest] Contest DxPed amp
>
> I just happened to run into this:
>
> http://www.ameritron.com/catalog/Ameritron_2009.pdf
>
> See page 9.
>
> Very light weight!
>
> de Doug KR2Q
>
> I have no vested interest in this company.
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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2008 09:47:48 -0600
From: "Sandy Taylor" <ve4xt@mts.net>
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Public Logs
To: "'VE5ZX'" <ve5zx@hotmail.com>, <CQ-Contest@contesting.com>,
        "'Dallas W3PP'" <w3pp.dallas@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000001c966a8$23fd46f0$6bf7d4d0$@net>
Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="us-ascii"

My two cents:

While I wouldn't like to see all contests make logs public, any more than I
would want to see all contests adopt SS-like exchanges or all contests adopt
QTCs or QSY rules or any of the other quirks that make certain contests
unique, I think a public log policy is an interesting quirk to WW that adds
to the strategic factor.

Notwithstanding the assertion that there are no secrets in contesting, if
there are, you can no longer assume there are any secrets in WW.

Which means a couple of interesting things: you can do exactly what you did
last year, with the possibility that your nearest rival has used your log to
outwit you, or you can try new things each year to try to stay a step ahead.
Maybe you succeed, maybe you don't.

Or, it's as K1AR and K5ZD and N5KO and K5TR and... all say: the secret to
contesting is there's no secret. Work lots of contests, gain experience,
maximize BIC time and improve your skills every time.

Either way, you're still having fun, no? And isn't that what it's all about?

If the public log policy is not enough to keep you from participating (in
other words, voting with your feet), then perhaps it's time to let the
thread die?

73, Kelly
ve4xt

-----Original Message-----
From: cq-contest-bounces@contesting.com
[mailto:cq-contest-bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf Of VE5ZX
Sent: December-25-08 7:44 AM
To: CQ-Contest@contesting.com; Dallas W3PP
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Public Logs

> may or may not be revealed.  The one point that I have not seen profered 
> is,
> if the logs have been adjudicated by the contest committee, why would you
> want/need to see them.  In otherwords, what's in it for you to see my 
> logs?

Public logs allows others to develop new adjudication tools that the 
committee does not have. For an example see the article "Two Radio Event 
Signatures" at
http://www.radiosport.ca/rsrp/documents/2RE%20signatures.pdf

Syl, VE5ZX
Radio Sport Canada
http://www.radiosport.ca
 

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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2008 22:38:32 -0800
From: "Lew Sayre" <w7ew@arrl.net>
Subject: [CQ-Contest] It's Almost Here-The Stew Perry TopBand Test
To: topband@contesting.com
Cc: cq-contest@contesting.com
Message-ID:
        <a18017910812252238g5482f399g1204c33b9f7f6eef@mail.gmail.com>
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Women, Men and Others of the Contesting Realm,
    In a few short hours the starting tick will happen signaling that The
Stew
Perry TopBand DX Challenge sponsored by The Boring Amateur Radio Club
will be filling the 160M band.  Consider playing in this Epic Contest as it
will
sharpen your mind, speed your fist and is a lot more fun than small talk
with
nogged relatives or repairing  semi-destroyed electronic flotsam that
smaller
relatives have over exercised or dissected.
     The rules are simple, just, ahead of their time and may be found at:

http://www.jzap.com/k7rat/stew.html

     Please peruse the list below and pick out which one of these
magnificent
plaque creations you may aspire to attain.  These plaques are sponsored by
noble
contesters who have decided that certain goals met during this RF
Battle are worthy
of a plaque creation.  These plaque sponsors are not only incredibly
smart, good
looking and wise, but they understand the importance of peer appreciation to
our
sport.  You can join these Stalwarts by sending me via my email
address a category
that you feel should be honored followed by $50 for the plaque.
     The next time you meet any of these donors please greet them
warmly, buy them
 a beverage and thank them for getting involved in such a worthy cause.

Call             Category
KL7RA    Highest # of QSO's
KB7Q     Top Score QRP
K1EP     Top Score, Low Power using Elecraft K3 radio
TF3KX    Aurora Borealis Award (Top score > 60 deg North geomagnetic
                 latitude QTH)
AE6RF    Top Score Low Power in W6
NA0Y     Top Score USA
VK6VZ    Top Score with antenna in space < 20m X 10m- (winner gets Royal
                 Flying Doctors of Australia cap rather than plaque)
W7TMT    Top Score Low Power First Time Entry
N7UA     Top Score High Power
K6DBG    Top Score First Time QRP (no qrp entry X past 3 years)
KI7Y     Top Score High Power Oregon-(W7GG/Ai7B Memorial)
N7KQ     Top Score Central/South America
K7FL     Top Score 100% Search & Pounce
KR2Q     Golden Log Award (highest # of Q's with no errors)
N7JW     Top Score South of The Equator
K7CA     Top Score from Zones 17, 18, 22 or 23
F8BPN    Top Score, Europe, Low Power
N5IA     Most Grid Squares Worked
W7KF     Old Timer's Award- Oldest Participant to make at least 50 or more
Q's
KH6LC    High Score Oceania
KH6LC    VK-ZL Challenge, Top Score VK/ZL
KJ9C     Top Score Black Hole (W9+MN,IA,MO)
BARC     Top Score JA
GMCC     Top Score > 4000' elevation
GMCC     Top Score Hi-power, W,VE,XE West of 100 deg longitude
GMCC     Top Score Low-power, W,VE,XE West of 100 deg longitude
UX1UA    USA Station with highest # with Zone 16 contacts
K6ND     K6SE Memorial Plaque (criteria being developed)

     The Boring Amateur Radio Club will also sponsor certain plaques noting
exceptional efforts that merit plaqueing as determined by The Sub-Committee
on Exceptional Efforts. The Boring Amateur Radio Club may also reward
certain
on-air behavior with Offical Boring Amateur Radio Club Tee Shirts (
new, not used).
     Please note in your comments when you submit your log if you are
competing
for a particular plaque and any unique information that may be required for
adjudicating the winner for that plaque. We're good, but do not read minds
or
intentions very well.
     Walk the dog and Beverages, learn your grid square and
daybreak/nightfall,
pay up your electric bill and tip the paper delivery person so you can
immerse
yourself in the 13th running of The Stew Perry TopBand DX Challenge!
     There will be one more posting of the donors and plaques available
shortly
after the finish of the contest to honor any late donors and complete the
list.
     See you in The Stew!
     73 and I remain,
     Lew   W7EW/W7AT
     w7ew@arrl.net
     The Boring Amateur Radio Club Chancillor of Cheek


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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2008 23:08:57 -0500
From: "Andrei Stchislenok" <asnp3d@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] EU HF Championship & SCC RTTY Championship
        2008    results
To: "Robert Bajuk" <rbajuk@gmail.com>
Cc: rtty@hamradio.si, 3830@contesting.com, cq-contest@contesting.com,
        RTTY Reflector Reflector <RTTY@contesting.com>
Message-ID:
        <a765bab60812252008g1e67ec02t79cd2b11f4108cf4@mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

Merry Christmas Robert and thanks for the gift!

It is nice to see the logs of any station by simply clicking on the
callsign.

However, wondering why there is no column with the time when QSO was
conducted?

Time of QSO is a valuable piece of information, I think.

Thank you and see you all in SCC RTTY 2009.

73's Andrei EW1AR-NP3D



2008/12/25 Robert Bajuk <rbajuk@gmail.com>

> Hello contesters,
>
> Here is your Christmas gift from Slovenia Contest Club :-)
>
> The results of the 2008 EU HF Championship & SCC RTTY Championship are
> now ready and available on the SCC home page.
>
> http://lea.hamradio.si/scc/
>
> As the previous years we want results to be transparent - all UBN
> files are public and open to all, accessible with the "click"
> on the desired callsign in results listing.
>
> Hope to see you in SCC Contests in 2009.
>
> Wish you a Merry Xmass & Happy Year 2009!
>
>
> 73 Robert, S57AW
> SCC Contest director
> _______________________________________________
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>



-- 
73's Andrei
EW1AR-NP3D
----------------------------------------------------
DXCC RTTY via LoTW only
Who has what? - World Wide Rating
Please visit: www.k4fo.com/cqrtty/


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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2008 23:49:42 -0600
From: "Robert Chudek - K0RC" <k0rc@pclink.com>
Subject: [CQ-Contest] MnQP chatter...
To: "Minnesota Wireless Association" <mwa@w0aa.org>,
        <rtty@contesting.com>,  <cq-contest@contesting.com>
Message-ID: <82CC13739AF542D58B2A27785102D63C@GX400A>
Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="iso-8859-1"

Contesting addicts,

I have uploaded a completely new MN QSO Party Log Analyzer to my website.
It's ready for your 2009 log, but it will analyze your 2008 or older logs as
well. (The MnQP will be held Saturday 7-Feb-2009, see the details here:
http://www.w0aa.org/mnqp_rules.htm

Two major features have been added to the Log Analyzer. The first is your
QSO totals are now broken out by bands. You will not only know you worked 45
Ohio stations, you will know on which bands. The second feature is a
breakout of callsigns by MN county. If you worked 30 Hennepin county
stations, this new worksheet will show you who they were (callsigns) and in
which order you worked them.

The MN QSO Party Log Analyzer is a tool useful for both in-state and
out-of-state operators. It's ideal to satisfy the needs of the most ardent
data junkies among the radiosport community!

Feel free to download the latest version from:  http://tinyurl.com/8juedc
Check this site periodically for updates. You will also find new versions of
the ARRL RTTY Roundup and Florida QSO Party Log Analyzers at this same URL.

Any of these tools can be used to review previous years' logs by filling in
the appropriate contest dates for the log you want to analyze. Then import
your Cabrillo formatted log and you're ready to review all of the tables,
graphs, and statistics.

73 de Bob - K?RC in MN



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Message: 9
Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2008 05:05:55 -0000
From: "K0HB" <kzerohb@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Public Logs
To: "Barry Merrill" <barry@mxg.com>,    <cq-contest@contesting.com>
Message-ID: <4620D9B8AB994AFEB2079E4E6CDA0DED@BigGuyII>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
        reply-type=original



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From: "Barry Merrill" <barry@mxg.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2008 12:02 PM
To: "'K0HB'" <K0HB@ARRL.ORG>; <cq-contest@contesting.com>
Subject: RE: [CQ-Contest] Public Logs

> By not submitting your log, you prevent complete adjucation.
> If you submit, and I logged you as K0SB, I loose points properly.
> If you don't submit, I get points I don't deserve.
>
> 73
>
> Barry, EI/W5GN
>

Barry, you are absolutely right.  The higher the incidence of log 
submissions, even thin logs like mine, the more complete a picture the 
sponsor has of the participation and the more accurately he can score the 
logs, catch busted calls, inaccurate exchanges, NIL's, rule violations, and 
all the other detail that the sponsor needs for fairly and accurately 
managing the contest.

So I whole-heartedly agree that every participant, even non-competitors, 
should submit their log for the legitimate needs of the contest sponsor.

I do not agree, however, that my logs ought to be publicly released for 
non-sponsor use such as QSO-mining, building of crutch-databases for use by 
other contesters, or strategy/tactic evaluation by other contesters.  Those 
are NOT legitimate needs of the contest sponsor.

73, de Hans, K0HB

 



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Message: 10
Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2008 00:23:32 -0500
From: Ron Rossi <kk1l@arrl.net>
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] [YCCC] Stew Perry Topband Challenge on real
        time    scores!
To: K1TTT <K1TTT@ARRL.NET>
Cc: Rlx <RLX@yahoogroups.com>, YCCC <yccc@yccc.org>,    reflector
        cq-contest <CQ-Contest@Contesting.COM>, Nobarc <nobarc@nobarc.org>
Message-ID: <49546A54.70402@arrl.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

Folks,

For an example of how to use the uploader with TRLog and also to 
download the program you need to generate a score summary on the fly 
please visit http://home.comcast.net/~kk1l/RTUpload/RTScore.htm. There 
is also a link of my main page at http://home.comcast.net/~kk1l.

The GetScores page link to this page is broken.

73 es God Bless de KK1L...Ron Rossi (kk1l@arrl.net) <><
QTH: Jericho, Vermont
My page: http://home.comcast.net/~kk1l

K1TTT wrote:
> Remember, this weekend the Stew Perry challenge will be running LIVE on
> http://www.getscores.org/.  Please contribute your score to the running
> results.  There are now more logging programs supported, and a new manual
> score posting program that lets everyone participate, even if your logger
> doesn't directly support it.  This new score posting program can also be
> scripted and can be used to grab scores from other loggers and parse them
to
> post automatically to the scoreboard.  KK1L has done that already for
TRLog,
> who wants to do it for CTWin or some of the other popular loggers??
> 
> 
> David Robbins K1TTT
> e-mail: mailto:k1ttt@arrl.net
> web: http://www.k1ttt.net
> AR-Cluster node: 145.69MHz or telnet://dxc.k1ttt.net
>  
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> YCCC Reflector mailto:yccc@contesting.com
> Yankee Clipper Contest Club  http://www.yccc.org
> Reflector Info: http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/yccc
> 
> 
> 


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Message: 11
Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2008 23:52:41 -0500
From: <w1md@cfl.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Public Logs
To: David Kopacz <david.kopacz@aspwebhosting.com>,
        CQ-Contest@contesting.com
Message-ID: <20081226045241.IT2SC.391650.root@cdptpa-web02-z02>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8

Well...

CW Skimmer will effectively nullify that 'concern'...for CW contests anyway.
If you are in the carib and can hear other carib stations...setup CW Skimmer
and you can monitor the competition (whether running or SP'ing) as well as
hear those juicy 30min window long path openings...and possibly some other
'opening's that no one catches normally. Skimmer could be used this way
pretty much anywhere...states, EU, AF, etc.. so maybe Skimmer IS the big
equalizer... :) for CW anyway...

FYI...I'm a PJ2T op...hope you HAVE learned something from the logs...that's
part of what makes competition better...

W1MD

I know JD...DIL... :)

---- David Kopacz <david.kopacz@aspwebhosting.com> wrote: 
> 
> "If you send in a log, and claim a score, is it rocket science that how
> you 
> got that score would be open to public scrutiny?
> Maybe those who do not want there logs to be public should also encrypt 
> their transmissions so that they are also private.
> Do not claim a score, do not send a log. You  may not be able to keep
> your 
> transmissions heard world wide "private.". but your logs will be.
> Move on."
> 
> 
> I am sorry Albert, but I believe this to be a poor argument for open
> logs. Just because my transmissions are not private is no excuse for my
> strategy to be made public. You can certainly find me on a band and
> listen to my run frequency until such time as I QSY. You can probably
> find me again easily once I am spotted.
> 
> But if I start S&P, when I know there is an opening LP to the Pacific on
> 40 meters, you aren't going to find me and you're not going to know I am
> aware of the 30 minute opening in the middle of the sunny Caribbean
> afternoon, unless you see my logs. FYI, this is a fact. From 6Y, we get
> a 30 minute Window in the afternoons with booming signals from VK/ZL.
> The opening is very short. I only discovered it recently.
> 
> When you think about it, who would jeopardize their own score to listen
> to my strategy on the air? No one! But a few might be interested in my
> logs post contest to see how I am getting more multipliers than them.
> Just glancing at a few other Caribbean stations logs saves me years of
> time learning propagation from that part of the world.
> 
> Personally, I don't think the sponsor gains anything by opening up
> everyone's logs, short of having more people help them quash the
> paranoia that someone "might" be cheating.
> 
> David ~ KY1V
> 
> 
> 
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Message: 12
Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2008 07:48:41 -0800
From: mwdink@eskimo.com
Subject: [CQ-Contest] 2008 9A CW - All 3830 Claimed Scores 26Dec2008
To: CQ-Contest@contesting.com
Message-ID: <200812261548.mBQFmfq1027132@b4h.net>

2008 9A CW - All 3830 Claimed Scores 26Dec2008

NOTE: This list is NOT a list of submitted logs received by the contest
sponsor. It is based solely on the claimed scores posted to the 3830
reflector via the web forms available at the 3830 Score Web Page shown
below.

Submit logs by: Jan 20, 2009
E-mail logs to: 9acw@9acw.org
Mail logs to:
Hrvatski RadioAmaterski Savez
for Croatian CW Contest
Dalmatinska 12
10000 Zagreb
Croatia
3830 Score Web Page - http://www.hornucopia.com/3830score/
http://lists.contesting.com/pipermail/3830/
Submission info ( tnx WA7BNM) - http://www.hornucopia.com/contestcal/
Contest Station Database - http://www.pvrc.org/

73 dink


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Call               QSOs Mults   hr      Score Club
All M/S HP
9A60A(@9A7A)      1765   262    24  2,433,456 Croatian CC
4O3A              1674   275    24  1,452,000 SKY CC
9A7T              1144   227    24  1,199,014 Croatian CC
YT6M(@YT3M)       1416   233    24    980,000 SKY CC
9A5Y(@9A1CCY)      981   166    24    750,000 

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Call               QSOs Mults   hr      Score Club
All SOAB HP
9A1UN(@9A1P)      1595   250    24  2,172,500 
9A7V              1386   203    24  1,410,850 Croatian CC
RD3A(RD3AF)       1558   248    24  1,249,920 
OM3RM(@OM8A)      1617   218    24  1,221,890 
UW2M(UR0MC)       1606   218  23.5  1,141,230 Ukraine Contest Club
LY6A              1169   197    24    704,078 
RA3CM             1155   196    20    698,936 
F5IN              1085   201    18    638,979 
RT3T(UA3TU)       1094   189    20    609,336 RCC
LY4A              1000   169    19    504,296 BCC

N4AF               778   129    15    476,784 PVRC
SP2LNW             877   158    21    439,240 ATCC
YL7X(YL2LY)        716   147    10    324,870 Latvian CC
UW1MU(UR5MW)       715   147    12    317,079 
UW1M(UR5MW)        715   147    12    317,079 
VE3QAA             538   122    16    304,512 CCO
YL5T(YL3DQ)        615   157     9    298,300 Latvian CC
ZM2B(ZL2BR)        310    86    14    139,922 
K3WW               328    90     6    133,830 FRC
K1ZZI              295    81          112,428 SECC

VE1DT              205    71           72,136 MCC
G3TXF              260    75     4     66,075 
ZL2RU(ZL2RU/S52R   239    45           58,995 
K4BAI              187    59   6.0     44,368 SECC
K3WI               160    54   5.5     36,234 FRC
VU2PTT             153    58     5     35,844 
AA3B               197    45   2.5     31,590 FRC
VE3UTT(W1AJT)      101    47 <1.5h     24,660 CCO
W1TO                68    41   1.7     12,997 YCCC
I0QM                56    25     2      5,400 

W3KL                26    17  0.75      2,992 PVRC

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Call               QSOs Mults   hr      Score Club
All SOAB LP
9A5CW             1136   204    22  1,126,244 WWYC
9A3B(9A1AA)       1155   195    22  1,004,640 Croatian CC
RV3FF              670   140 13h17    272,160 
9A3XV              501   109  22,5    231,952 Croatian CC
OK2BFN             532   124    14    205,716 
UZ5UA(VLADIMIR)    498  1604          192,480 Black Sea Contest Cl
YT2AAA             409    98    17    122,402 Jablanik Bears CC
DL3YM              316    98   7.0    100,156 RR DX
HR9/WQ7R           327    62           94,612 
OL140PS(OK1JOC)    280    84           72,000 OKqrp

DJ1YFK             195    49     6     31,997 WWYC
NA4K               132    56           31,528 TCG
N3ZL               104    52   5.5     25,896 SECC
VE1OP              120    41   2.5     17,794 MCC
F4FDA               75    46     6     12,420 WWYC
VA3ATT              80    27            8,289 
PY4XX               30    18            3,114 Croatian Telegraphy 
KN4Y               262    11     4      2,882 FCG
WB8JUI              22    16   1.0      1,328 MRRC
WA4SM               15    10            1,100 TCG

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Call               QSOs Mults   hr      Score Club
All SOAB QRP
OK1FKD             254    71     8     64,823 OKQRP
NG7Z                13     4               72 WWDXC

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Call               QSOs Mults   hr      Score Club
All SOSB/160 HP
9A5W               534    46  17,5    160,908 Croatian CC
E70T(@E77DX)       513    49          108,682 Bosnia & Herzegowina

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Call               QSOs Mults   hr      Score Club
All SOSB/20 HP
N4PN               314    61    13     57,950 SECC
LY3X(@LY5W)        416    58    14     50,286 Lithuanian Contest G
N9FC                38    18  2.45      2,718 SMC

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Call               QSOs Mults   hr      Score Club
All SOSB/20 LP
PY2NY               39    22     5      2,882 TuPY Dx Group
Z36W                71    16            1,488 
SM7VZX              26    10              560 SKY CC

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Call               QSOs Mults   hr      Score Club
All SOSB/20 QRP
9A8MM               45     9     1      1,026 WWYC

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Call               QSOs Mults   hr      Score Club
All SOSB/40 HP
OH6M(OH6LBW)       807    73          212,430 
A71BX              526    54 10:00    167,616 
LY1C(@LY2W)        601    67    21    144,184 
S53M(S51FB)        171    36  2.13     18,936 SCC

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Call               QSOs Mults   hr      Score Club
All SOSB/40 LP
LY2KZ              408    50    16     66,700 
DL6KVA             389    45  13.5     53,010 
YU7PG              259    45    16     36,630 
I2WIJ              182    38 3h 30     24,928 
Z35X                86    26            9,152 
YB4IR               28    17     3      2,924 
K5LH                38    13     8      2,496 

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Call               QSOs Mults   hr      Score Club
All SOSB/80 HP
E74A(@E73M)        552    49           91,700 
E77DX              521    47           88,266 Bosnia and Herzegovi
SJ2W(SM2WMV)       459    54    18     84,780 
HA8BE              442    44           63,008 HADXC

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Call               QSOs Mults   hr      Score Club
All SOSB/80 LP
YL3GFX             379    41    20     47,150 
E72U               347    37           38,110 
YO6MT              206    35    10     24,708 CS SILVER FOX
YR6M(YO6MT)        206    35    10     23,892 CS SILVER FOX
DJ5QV              184    22     7     20,196 RR DX
DL1REM             152    33     4     14,916 


Operators:
4O3A         4O3A,4O4A
9A5Y         9A1DX,9A3LG,9A4GM,9A5CM,9A5TO
9A60A        9A2X,9A3OS,9A3TR,9A5X,DK6XZ
9A7T         9A2EU,9A5MR
YT6M         YT3M,YT6M,YU2FG



------------------------------

Message: 13
Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2008 07:50:56 -0800
From: mwdink@eskimo.com
Subject: [CQ-Contest] 2008 OK RTTY - All 3830 Claimed Scores 26Dec2008
To: CQ-Contest@contesting.com
Message-ID: <200812261550.mBQFouhR027139@b4h.net>

2008 OK RTTY - All 3830 Claimed Scores 26Dec2008

NOTE: This list is NOT a list of submitted logs received by the contest
sponsor. It is based solely on the claimed scores posted to the 3830
reflector via the web forms available at the 3830 Score Web Page shown
below.

Submit logs by: Jan 15, 2009
E-mail logs to: okrtty@crk.cz
Mail logs to:
Czech Radio Club
OK DX RTTY Contest
P.O.Box 69
113 27 Praha 1
Czech Republic
3830 Score Web Page - http://www.hornucopia.com/3830score/
http://lists.contesting.com/pipermail/3830/
Submission info ( tnx WA7BNM) - http://www.hornucopia.com/contestcal/
Contest Station Database - http://www.pvrc.org/

73 dink


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Call                 Qs   Pts     C    OK   hr      Score Club
All M/S HP
OL3Z(@OK1KZE)     1342  4529   148    64    24    960,148 
UT3HWW            1059  2795   151   115    24    743,470 
DL4R(@DL4RCK)     1044  2944   151    77    24    671,232 DRCG
OL5Q               956  1654   126    50    24    291,104 Tower Contest Gang
N2WK               458  1593   106    39 12.12    230,985 
OH8F               473  1126    95    59          173,404 
W7WW               528  1122    55     8           70,686 
AD4EB              427  1018    55    10     8     66,170 TCG
W4NX(@W4LWW)       311   652    46     9     9     35,860 TCG
N6ML(@N6RO)        444   887    29     0   ~11     25,723 NCCC

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Call                 Qs   Pts     C    OK   hr      Score Club
All SOAB HP
K4GMH             1088  3741   131    81    20    793,092 PVRC
SP6AXW             737  2045   128    52    20    368,100 
ON4BHQ             518  1285   101    41          182,470 RR DX
K9MUG              419  1493    70    30    14    149,300 ACG
WB2RHM             326  1103    76    24          110,300 Mecklenburg ARS
K0RC               544  1236    63    24    16    107,532 MWA
AA3B               343  1070    63    29     6     98,440 FRC
W0YK               655  1486    50     5    12     89,160 NCCC
W1BYH              338  1007    70    16  13.5     86,602 YCCC
W7ZR               607  1285    51     3           69,390 Desert Rats
Contest 

K0FX               334   874    56     9   7.5     56,810 Grand Mesa
VE3UTT(W1AJT)      201   713    59    19   3.5     55,614 CCO
WX4TM              319   861    53     7   7.5     51,660 ACG
W1TO               248   604    62    23  5.28     51,340 YCCC
F5CQ               190   559    60    30     8     50,310 LNDX
NA2M               230   807    44    10   6.5     43,578 OBONY
N2CU               212   639    48    17     5     41,535 RTTY Rangers
W7PP               286   561    59    11    12     39,270 
W3MF               201   612    46    14     4     36,720 FRC
VY2SS              177   504    45    10   3.3     27,720 MCC

N4ZZ               230   595    38     6  4.35     26,180 TCG
AA2NA              173   487    40    12           25,324 
K3WI               177   418    46    10     7     23,408 FRC
AA8LL              138   361    50    11     4     22,021 SWODXA
WB8JUI             246   554    31     8           21,606 MRRC
N6QQ               250   507    34     3     6     18,759 SCCC
AD6WL              222   430    40     3     6     18,490 
W2OO               104   408    32     9   4.0     16,728 TCG
AA5VU              200   400    35     6           16,400 CTDXCC
K7RSM              186   467    24     5 10.93     13,543 CADXA

W5KI               127   299    36     8   5.5     13,156 
ZC4LI(STEVE)       805     0     0     0    24     12,345 
W4ZE               144   243    40     5     3     10,935 FCG
KT6YL              197   327    22     2   6.5      7,848 NCCC
KV7DX(KN5H)        154   311    17     1            5,598 CADXA
KE1FO               94   184    24     5     2      5,336 YCCC
W6SX               181   391    13     0            5,083 NCCC
7L4IOU(2)           73   196    21     3            4,704 599CCJ
VA7ST               79   214    13     2     2      3,210 
WA6BOB             100   172    14     1     4      2,550 SCCC

K5AM                81   151    13     2     1      2,265 
W7WHY               13    22     8     0    .5        176 WVDXC

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Call                 Qs   Pts     C    OK   hr      Score Club
All SOAB LP
OK2CLW             574  1650   114    54          277,200 
DL1ZBO             411  1157    88    50 12:19    159,666 DRCG
VE3GSI             437   999    55    19           73,926 
F5RD               247   647    68    39           69,229 
J39BS              346   976    41     6    10     48,800 
YO9BXC             193   541    53    31           45,444 C.S. Petrolul
Ploies
VK5NPR             130   591    47    16           37,233 VKCC
OH8GZN             192   397    61    28           35,333 
DK8EY              155   408    61    11           29,376 RR DX
WM5DX              200   511    45    10           28,105 

VY2LI              183   462    50     9   5.5     27,258 MCC
W9ILY              173   356    42     7           17,444 METRO DX CLUB
ON6OM              158   319    39    11 05.30     16,250 
AB4GG              200   369    36     7   6.5     15,867 TCG
Z36W               133   202    40     9            9,898 
WB5TUF             140   282    27     5     9      9,024 TDXS
K2DSL               93   231    19     8     4      6,237 Bergen ARA
VE3XAT              99   178    27     5            5,696 CCO
KR1ST              100   250    21     1   3.2      5,500 The Three
Musketeers
VU2PTT              42   111    22     8     2      3,330 

VE7IO              159   219    13     2     4      3,285 BCDX
K6GEP               77   166    12     0   3.5      1,992 SCCC

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Call                 Qs   Pts     C    OK   hr      Score Club
All SOAB QRP
KA6SGT              44   123     9     1     3      1,230 SMC

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Call                 Qs   Pts     C    OK   hr      Score Club
All SOSB/15 LP
PY4XX                7    13     3     0               39 RIO DX GROUP

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Call                 Qs   Pts     C    OK   hr      Score Club
All SOSB/20 HP
I0QM               234   345    39     4    12     14,835 
WA5ZUP             231   263    16     2     4      4,734 
VE7CF              270   328    14     0            4,592 
KH6GMP             141   279    10     0    24      2,790 
VE1OP               76   114    21     2   .75      2,622 MCC

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Call                 Qs   Pts     C    OK   hr      Score Club
All SOSB/20 LP
Z35X               297   383    39    11           19,150 
W4LC               180   256    38     7     8     11,520 KCG
PD7RB              116   149    30     9            5,811 
SM2JUR             115   126    20    17            4,662 
GM4KLN              93   109    25    12     4      4,033 GMDX
HL5YI               15    17     5     0   2hr         85 

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Call                 Qs   Pts     C    OK   hr      Score Club
All SOSB/40 HP
S51D               474  1848    53    22    15    138,600 
S53M(S51FB)        375  1737    44    17   8.5    105,957 SCC
YW5CQ(YV5SSB)      145   870    19     2     5     18,270 
YU7U(YU7BH)        135   500    32     5     8     17,000 SKY CC
K8SM                47   195    15     2            3,315 

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Call                 Qs   Pts     C    OK   hr      Score Club
All SOSB/40 LP
YV1JGT             152   900    17     9           23,400 DX CLUB TRUJILLO

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Call                 Qs   Pts     C    OK   hr      Score Club
All SOSB/80 HP
OK2SFP             413  1359    43    49    17    125,028 
LY9Y               138   438    27    29     5     24,528 Lithuanian Contest
G

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Call                 Qs   Pts     C    OK   hr      Score Club
All SOSB/80 LP
YT2U               110   339    29    21     5     16,950 SKY CC


Operators:
DL4R         DJ3IW,DL4RCK,DM5TI
N6ML         N6ML,N6WM
OH8F         OH8KVY,OH8MWD
OL3Z         OK1FPS,OK1LOL,OK1XYZ
OL5Q         OK1FFU,OK1FLC,OK1HRA
UT3HWW       UT4HZ,UY1HY,UZ7HO



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