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Re: [CQ-Contest] Single Op/Get Scores Assisted

To: "Cqtestk4xs@aol.com" <Cqtestk4xs@aol.com>, "ku7y@qsl.net" <ku7y@qsl.net>, "cq-contest@contesting.com" <cq-contest@contesting.com>
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Single Op/Get Scores Assisted
From: brian coyne <g4odv@yahoo.co.uk>
Reply-to: brian coyne <g4odv@yahoo.co.uk>
Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 17:57:07 +0000 (GMT)
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Ah - ha _ I see yet another multi thread post coming on re what is, and what is 
not, assistance.

Why cannot all Contest Committees adopt the WRTC Standard ruling which makes it 
pretty clear, to me anyway, what unassisted really means...

12.4. Use of DX spotting (e.g., Packet, Web, etc.), skimmer or any 
other spotting and supplementary information network is not allowed. You are 
not allowed to receive any assistance to learn the callsign or 
exchange of any station other than by tuning the radio and listening by 
human ear.
12.5. The use of any callsign database or the ‘Super Check Partial’ 
tool is not allowed. If the logging software incorporates this kind of 
feature, it must be disabled. The logging computer(s) may display a 
‘Check Partial’ list based only upon the callsigns already worked during the 

Can anyone really pick holes in that? That is the way I like to play it, no 
assistance, audio or visual.

73  Brian 5B4AIZ / C4Z.

 From: "Cqtestk4xs@aol.com" <Cqtestk4xs@aol.com>
To: ku7y@qsl.net; cq-contest@contesting.com 
Sent: Monday, 25 February 2013, 16:59
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Single Op/Get Scores Assisted
Does that mean no WWV reports from the internet?


In a message dated 2/25/2013 2:02:38 P.M. Coordinated Universal Time,  
ku7y.cw@gmail.com writes:

Seems to  me that maybe what's needed is a rule that prohibits a SO 
Unassisted from  having any internet connection.

After all, if you are in a contest as  SO Unassisted, what the heck do you 
need the internet for?

OK, back  in my hole,

Ron, KU7Y
SOWP 5545M
Arizona Outlaws Contest  Club
Silver Springs,  NV
KX3  #0062
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Stan Stockton"  <wa5rtg@gmail.com>
To: <w1ve@yccc.org>
Cc:  <n2ic@arrl.net>; "CQ-Contest" <cq-contest@contesting.com>
Sent:  25 February, 2013 4:10 AM
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Single Op/Get Scores  Assisted

> It doesn't matter if all the single ops leave off the  band breakdowns. 
> The same opening notifications and more will be  available by looking at 
> the multi-operator categories - particularly  M/M.
> As it grows the number of instances of call sign fills  for the guys you 
> couldn't quite copy on 160 will become more  prevalent....and using all 
> that information is now  allowed.
> Get Scores will tell you however often it is chosen  to update on what 
> a particular station is running.  There  are no frequencies shown and 
> has been determined to be OK. How  about adding all the stations from RBN 
> calling CQ but without  frequencies (just bands) shown?  Not a lot 
> different than what  you would have if everyone signed up for Get Scores.
> Let's  face the facts. You need to be on the Internet and take advantage 
>  any and all internet assistance that is now allowed to maximize your 
>  success in a single operator, "unassisted" entry. Someone who does not  
> have a computer connected to the Internet does not have all the  possible 
> advantages of someone who does have that connection in an  unassisted 
> entry.
> 73...Stan, K5GO
>  Sent from my iPad
> On Feb 24, 2013, at 11:35 PM, Gerry Hull  <gerry@yccc.org> wrote:
>> Hi  Steve,
>> I do see your point.   The "player"  remark was unfortunate... I can see 
>> in
>> these  situations where it could make a difference.
>> So -- that's why you  guys don't post.   However, you could post, 
>>  motivating
>> others, by posting score not breakdown.  That is  totally feasible.
>> That way, in your instance N2IC would see K5GN's  score going up, but 
>> no idea why.
>> When  K5ZD posts, he always masks his breakdown.
>> Perhaps you  would consider posting your score if the site automatically
>> masked  the breakdown of SO stations?
>> Food for  thought...
>> I'm off to 8P in the morning... play more  radio than internet.
>> 73.  Gerry
>> On Sun, Feb  24, 2013 at 6:53 PM, Steve London <n2icarrl@gmail.com>  
>>>  On Feb 24, 2013, at 8:15 AM, Gerry Hull<gerry@yccc.org>   wrote:
>>>>>  Stan,
>>>>> Getscores has been up  for more than five years, and the Russian site 
>>>>>  has
>>>>> been up for a year or so.  No contesting  authority has made any
>>>>>  restriction
>>>>> against the sites, and I don't think they  will.
>>>>> If you are using the  score posting site to make decisions about what 
>>>>>  to
>>>>> do
>>>>> in a contest, you are  not a player at  all.
>>> Gerry, I  don't know how to interpret this statement.
>>>  There is no doubt that the score posting system could provide  valuable
>>> information to the single-op, unassisted, serious  competitor. Last
>>> weekend's ARRL DX CW is a perfect example.  N2IC(/5) and K5GN were both 
>>> SOAB
>>> HP, vying  for the top spot in W5, and top-10 national positions. 
>>> of
>>> us posted to, or watched the score posting  sites, even though there is
>>> nothing in the rules to stop us.  However, for the sake of discussion, 
>>> let's
>>>  say K5GN posted his score, with band breakdowns, and N2IC was 
>>> the
>>> score posting site. During the actual  contest, K5GN did indeed catch 
>>> good
>>> European  openings on 20 meters during the wee hours of the morning,  
>>> mornings. N2IC did not, and in fact, didn't look for  those openings. 
>>> K5GN
>>> made many more 20 meter  QSO's, and finished ahead of N2IC. If N2IC 
>>>  could,
>>> at a glance, see that K5GN was suddenly piling on 20  meter QSO's at 
>>> strange
>>> times of the day, do  you think he would react to that information ? 
>>>  Would
>>> he still be a "player" ? Would he still be unassisted  ?
>>> 73,
>>> Steve,  N2IC
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