His is my last posting on this subject.
"QSO alerting assistance" is specifically *defined* in the rules for use in
helping to better understand how that term applies to the rules.
This does not mean you can replace that definition with your own
interpretation of the term; the rules define how the term is used in the
context of the rules.
If it were not defined in the rules, then it would be subject to
interpretation. Hence, the reason it is defined in the rules.
One may not agree with how it is defined, but that's a completely different
discussion.
Again, the rule says:
Single Operator: *QSO alerting assistance of any kind* is
prohibited (see VIII.2).
We then look at the definition of "QSO alerting assistance" in VIII.2 and we
see (among other things):
e.g.; Reverse Beacon Network
So, using this specific example provided *in the rules* of the term causing
the most trouble ("QSO alerting assistance"), we can restate the first rule
as:
Single Operator: "Reverse Beacon Network" of any kind is
prohibited (see VIII.2).
You could similarly insert " DX cluster", "packet", "local or remote call
sign and frequency decoding technology", or even "CW Skimmer" in the rule in
order to better understand it.
e.g.; Single Operator: "local or remote call sign and frequency
decoding technology" of any kind is prohibited (see VIII.2).
There is no exception listed in the rules allowing ANY use of ANY of these
technologies including RBN by unassisted Single Operators.
Again, feel free to use the RBN, just that when you do, you're assisted by
rule.
73,
Bob W5OV
Single-Op Assisted (most of the time)
-----Original Message-----
From: CQ-Contest [mailto:cq-contest-bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf Of
Martin , LU5DX
Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2013 7:31 AM
To: Bob Naumann
Cc: iain macdonnell - N6ML; CQ-Contest
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] : Reverse beacon of my own call?
Precisely. The rule is really clear about the use those tools are not meant
to be used for. The use of the RBN in this case is specifically included
under VIII.
Monitoring one's own signal has nothing to do with *QSO alerting assistance.
*
No need to add an exception to the rule, since the rule is talking about a
totally different case of use.
Now, if using the RBN for monitoring one's own signal also needs to
be forbidden by the rules, the rules will have to clearly state so.
LU5DX
On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 9:15 AM, Bob Naumann <W5OV@w5ov.com> wrote:
> I apologize for possible redundancy, but this seems to be difficult to
> understand:****
>
> ** **
>
> The rules specifically say:****
>
> ** **
>
> **1) **QSO alerting assistance of any kind is prohibited (see
> VIII.2).****>
> **2) ***(VIII.2) QSO alerting assistance:* The use of any technology
> or other source that provides call sign or multiplier identification along
> with frequency information to the operator. It includes, but is not
limited
> to, use of DX cluster, packet, local or remote call sign and frequency
> decoding technology (e.g., CW Skimmer or Reverse Beacon Network), or
> operating arrangements involving other individuals.****
>
> ** **
>
> It is named specifically in the list of example technologies that are
> prohibited. There is no exception in the rules for using it only as a
> "propagation monitoring tool".****
>
> ** **
>
> W5OV****
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* monsalvo@gmail.com [mailto:monsalvo@gmail.com] *On Behalf Of
*Martin
> , LU5DX
> *Sent:* Thursday, July 25, 2013 6:47 AM
> *To:* Bob Naumann
> *Cc:* iain macdonnell - N6ML; CQ-Contest
> *Subject:* Re: [CQ-Contest] : Reverse beacon of my own call?****
>
> ** **
>
> Not to the extent the rules prohibit its use.****
>
> You are not using it for QSO alerting purposes.****
>
> In this case you are using it as a real time HF propagation monitoring
> tool.****
>
> If that type of use is not accepted either, the rules should clearly state
> it.****
>
> ** **
>
> Vy 73.****
>
> ** **
>
> Martin, LU5DX****
>
> ** **
>
> On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 11:39 PM, <w5ov@w5ov.com> wrote:****
>
> It says "the use of".
>
> I think using RBN to check who might be hearing you is definitely "using"
> the RBN.
>
> > The way I read the CQWW rule, RBN is an *example* of a "technology or
> > other source that *COULD PROVIDE* call sign or multiplier
> > identification along with frequency information to the operator". If
> > it is not used to provide the operator with frequency information
> > about other call signs / multipliers, I don't think it would be in
> > violation of the rule. Another example might be CW Skimmer in "BLIND
> > mode" (not sure what the CQWW position on that actually is).
> >
> > Personally, I don't think that querying the RBN to see where you're
> > being heard constitutes "QSO alerting assistance"... JMHO...
> >
> > 73,
> >
> > ~iain / N6ML
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 4:19 PM, <w5ov@w5ov.com> wrote:
> >> There are two parts to the CQWW rules concerning single operator that
> >> make
> >> this entirely clear and without exception:
> >>
> >> The first:
> >> A. Single Operator Categories
> >> 1. Single Operator: QSO alerting assistance of any kind is prohibited
> >> (see
> >> VIII.2).
> >>
> >> Second: Definitions:
> >>
> >> VIII.2. QSO alerting assistance: The use of any technology or other
> >> source
> >> that provides call sign or multiplier identification along with
> >> frequency
> >> information to the operator. It includes, but is not limited to, use of
> >> DX
> >> cluster, packet, local or remote call sign and frequency decoding
> >> technology (e.g., CW Skimmer or Reverse Beacon Network), or operating
> >> arrangements involving other individuals.
> >>
> >> So, as I read it, it says specifically that Single Ops may not use RBN
> >> since RBN is part of the definition of assistance. It has nothing to do
> >> with remote receivers.
> >>
> >> The rules are published here:
> >>
> >> http://www.cqww.com/rules.htm
> >>
> >> 73,
> >>
> >> Bob W5OV
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> "BTW CQ WW rules clearly disallow RBN for Single Operators with no any
> >> Exception"
> >>> Actually it doesn't. The rules state that this technology cannot be
> >> used
> >>> to
> >>> decode callsign and frequency information or multiplier information.
> >>> Since
> >>> you know your callsign, transmit frequency, and whether you need
> >> yourself
> >>> for a mult before looking for a signal report on RBN, there is
actually
> >> no
> >>> violation of the rules on the surface from my read.
> >>> You could argue it's the use of a remote receiver. However if that is
> >> the
> >>> case than all RBN use would be prohibited for all users regardless of
> >>> class
> >>> except extreme.
> >>> My interpretation of the rules only but read them yourself and see if
> >> you
> >>> disagree.
> >>> 73
> >>> Ed N1UR
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