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Re: [CQ-Contest] on line scores

To: tfwagner@snet.net, cq-contest@contesting.com
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] on line scores
From: Ron Notarius W3WN <wn3vaw@verizon.net>
Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2013 11:07:02 -0600 (CST)
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I have no problem with anyone who wishes to voluntarily participate in a scores 
site.  If you think you'll get something out of it, if you think it will help 
you in some way, then go for it, have fun, and enjoy.
 
My only objection is to this being made mandatory for anyone who wants to 
participate in a given contest or event.  
 
If someone does not wish to participate, whatever their reason is, regardless 
of how others feel about how "realistic" their objection is... they should not 
be forced to do so.  
 
73

On 11/27/13, N1MM wrote:

I like posting my score to the scores sites. Why? Because seeing 
another comparable station there provides incentive to compete. I think 
there is probably more value there than in the spectator benefit that 
Rick is looking for.

A lot of people have objected to requiring connection to a scores site, 
but why not try it in a few smaller contests and see how it affects the 
competition? Do the participants report staying in the chair longer?

To get to the spectator aspect, I think you would need to do it on a 
very short contest - maybe 30 minutes to 2 hours long. I was at Dayton 
last year and watched the CW contest with an electronic scoreboard. The 
scoreboard made the competition far more interesting than in the 
pre-electronic era.

A 30 minute Sprint contest with a web site to record every QSO and a 
video conference room to let the spectators hang out, kibitz and drink a 
beer while watching the contestants duke it out, might be a lot of fun 
on a Thursday night. A color commentator who could elaborate on the 
strategies being used by the competitors would make it even better.

73,
Tom - N1MM

On 11/26/2013 9:55 AM, Rick Dougherty wrote:
> Soap Box- I want to commend the teams that took the time to post their
> scores
> on the cqcontest.ru site. Our friends in UA have dove an excellent job in
> making the site easy to use and very accurate. On a different note I will
> propose a change to the CQWW Rules to include some sort of rule that if a
> station uses skimmer, packet or any other means of gathering information
> they
> will be obligated to post their scores. Here is a classic example given to
> me
> by KY4F.
>
> "You and your wife are huge Golf fans, and save, and finally buy tickets
> to the Master's Golf Tournament (CQWW CW is much like the Master's). In the
> process of your attendance, Tiger Woods and Phil Mickelson decide that they
> will not allow their scores to be listed on the leader boards and that they
> will keep their score cards in their pocket and not allow any fans or other
> competitor to see their score. Their score cards will not be available until
> after every participant has finished the Tournament".
>
> I see no discernible difference in the above case, and our current leaders
> in
> CQWW who refuse to participate in posting their scores online. It is done in
> the Golf world to openly and frankly show what the score is at every
> stroke. It
> is a display of honesty and frankness and is a requirement for entry in any
> golf
> tournament. I call upon all of the contesting community to request...no
> require... that all participants who use any method of information
> collection
> to post their scores!
>
> As the contesting community has adjusted to the requirement for logs to be
> sent
> in and posted for all to see, it is now time to change this unnecessary
> behavior
> and openly post your score for all to see. Not posting your score equals non
> entry in the contest.
>
> de Rick NQ4I
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