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Re: [CQ-Contest] Category hopping

To: "'Martin , LU5DX'" <lu5dx@lucg.com.ar>, "'Maarten van Rossum'" <pd2r.maarten@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Category hopping
From: Michael Schulz <mschulz@creative-chaos.com>
Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2015 12:40:58 -0800
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Don’t confuse loopholes with rule breaking.

Mike K5TRI

-----Original Message-----
From: CQ-Contest [mailto:cq-contest-bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Martin 
, LU5DX
Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2015 11:16 AM
To: Maarten van Rossum <pd2r.maarten@gmail.com>
Cc: Ron Notarius W3WN <wn3vaw@verizon.net>; CQ-Contest 
<cq-contest@contesting.com>
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Category hopping

Wow Maarten,
What you say is really dangerous.
There are loopholes everywhere in the rules.
Rules require you to use certain level of output power to enter a category, but 
there is a loophlole, since no one is going to be able to verify that, 
according to your reasoning we are supossed to use whatever power level we want 
and then take advantage of the loophole to win a plaque?

Rules requiere a person to do all the logging and operating to be considered a 
single OP, but, there is a loophole since no one is going to be at your place 
to verify that. Is that mean, we must Take advantage of the loophole and use 
the seevices of a ghost OP, so that we can confortable sleep at night, and 
still claim single OP to gain the upper hand?

There are a few things that resolve loopholes of any kind: dignity, respect and 
sportsmanship.

Martín LU5DX


El dic 8, 2015 14:47, "Maarten van Rossum" <pd2r.maarten@gmail.com>
escribió:
>
....
>
> To me it's simple. In competition people try to find loopholes in the
rules
> to gain the upper hand. This happens in every sport/competation and 
> contesting is no different. This is exactly what causes us to push the 
> envelope. If I'm not mistaking, that is exactly what this hobby is all 
> about.
>
> Personally I think CR3L did something clever and kudos to them for 
> winning M/M with a M/2 set-up (if that is in fact what they did).
>
> If I was a member of they CR3L team I would in now way feel obligatory 
> to respond to accusations made on this reflector (even going as far as 
> comparing them with a known cheater).
>
> 73, Maarten PD2R
>
>
> Op dinsdag 8 december 2015 heeft Ron Notarius W3WN 
> <wn3vaw@verizon.net>
het
> volgende geschreven:
>
> >
> > I have no skin in this game, but if I may, a simple question, with 
> > two related follow-up questions...
> >
> >
> > Did anyone ask the CR3L operators directly why they changed their 
> > entry category from M2 to MM?
> >
> >
> > If so, what answer (if any) was given?
> >
> >
> > And if so, was this done before or after these allegations started 
> > on
this
> > reflector?
> >
> >
> > There's been a lot of allegations and accusations, to say nothing of 
> > jumping to conclussions on what appears to be minimal evidence... 
> > but I don't yet recall seeing anything directly or indirectly from 
> > the
operating
> > team or others who were part of the effort.
> >
> >
> > Just asking.
> >
> >
> > 73, ron w3wn
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> --
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