Hello Jim and Mike.
For dx, multiOP and assisted i always use VE7CC without filters, i really like
how it works.
What.i really mean it is as LPL and others take spots from RBN and send to the
classic system, the all time cluster. They filter what DXCC will be spotted
from RBN to classics cluster, and that's it can be a great tool for dxing but
not for contesting.
Stations from rare locations will be spotted every 10 minutes and other from
the same zone will be not spotted never ever :((. That's what i feel like
unfair. All the stations will not spotted in the same level on the classics
clusters, and that will bring a great advantage to few ones against another
ones.
If you check https://dxheat.com/db/W3lpl/ you can see how there it is 59583
spots from African stations, a 13% of LPL total spots, well there it is no one
from EA8.
If we are in a competition and im spotted and you not, there will be a
difference in the results too, and we are not in the same game.
Im not against LPL system, it is very useful, but shouldn't be filtering
stations during a contest, so all or no one have to be spotted, if there will
be too much stations from RBN to classics one, it can be OFF or just spotting
WARC bands.
What you will think If there are 59583 spots from your continent competitors
and 0 from you? Do you think it is a fair game for everyone in the same
country?
TNX and 73 de Juan
EA8RM / EF8R
EF8U Manager
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> El 27 feb 2017, a las 23:42, W0MU Mike Fatchett <w0mu@w0mu.com> escribió:
>
> Connect to the multitude of other DX clusters such as w0mu-1, VE7CC and many
> others. There are no EA8 or any other filters on the cluster side. You as a
> user can filter as much or as little as you wish.
>
> W0MU
>
>
>> On 2/27/2017 11:49 AM, Michael Adams wrote:
>> Keep in mind EA8's aren't banned from RBN.
>>
>> It's just that W3LPL doesn't repeat them as classic spots, because they
>> aren't uncommon.
>>
>> A significant amount of email could be generated discussing the pros and
>> cons of W3LPL's relaying some RBN spots as classic spots. Personally, I
>> settle for thinking that knowing how to tap into and appropriately filter
>> spots (RBN and classic) is a necessary skill for competing assisted.
>>
>>
>> --
>> Michael Adams | mda@n1en.org
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: Juan Hidalgo EA8RM <ea8cac@gmail.com>
>> Sent: 27 Feb 2017 7:47 am
>> To:
>> Cc: CQ-Contest Reflector
>> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] cq self spot
>>
>> """In CW contests, RBN and private skimmers will automatically pick you up
>> and
>> spot you on the cluster networks, courtesy of W3LPL and others. This is
>> essentially the same as self-spotting because nobody has to work you for
>> you to be spotted, and as soon as you are detected by one of these robots
>> (RBN or skimmer) you are automatically put on the cluster.""""
>>
>> This is quite interesting, talking about unfair.....
>> Uncommon DXCC countries are usually spotted in this way, specially OC, AS,
>> SA, Africa.
>>
>> It is quite frustrating when you're running in a contest and every 10
>> minutes there are spots from other countries of your continent but you don't
>> !!!
>>
>> Example: ALL African stations are spotted in this way EXCEPT EA8 !!!
>>
>> The EA8s are banned from the system I don't know why, but it is very easy to
>> check.
>>
>> I trough to qualify to WRTC, I miss some log and I didn't work all time all
>> contest, but all these things are by my fault but there it is another
>> circumstances.....I check how ALL other stations from AF are automatically
>> spotted every 10 min and no EA8 stations are spotted.
>> It is this self-spotting?
>> It is this CQoIP?
>> Should them be DQ?
>>
>> For me it is just unfair, we haven't all the same opportunities to be
>> spotted. We have to be all or no one, but no few ones, in this way it is
>> UNFAIR.
>>
>>
>> 73 !!
>>
>>
>>
>> Enviado desde mi iPhone
>>
>>> El 26 feb 2017, a las 17:58, Ria Jairam <rjairam@gmail.com> escribió:
>>>
>>> In CW contests, RBN and private skimmers will automatically pick you up and
>>> spot you on the cluster networks, courtesy of W3LPL and others. This is
>>> essentially the same as self-spotting because nobody has to work you for
>>> you to be spotted, and as soon as you are detected by one of these robots
>>> (RBN or skimmer) you are automatically put on the cluster.
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