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Re: [CQ-Contest] CX2DK DQ

To: "'Kelly Taylor'" <ve4xt@mymts.net>, "'CQ-Contest Reflector'" <cq-contest@contesting.com>
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] CX2DK DQ
From: "Stephen Bloom" <sbloom@acsalaska.net>
Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2017 07:50:51 -0800
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I hearby nominate Kelly VE4XT to be absolute dictator over the entire contest 
realm, the only judge at WRTC, and while we're at it ...President of the U.S., 
Canada, and Mexico.  

Make contesting great again (or at least less insane).

Oops, time for my meds.

Steve KL7SB

-----Original Message-----
From: CQ-Contest [mailto:cq-contest-bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Kelly 
Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2017 11:22 AM
To: CQ-Contest Reflector <cq-contest@contesting.com>
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] CX2DK DQ

You might be participating in the contest by working folks in the contest, but 
you’re still only bound by the rules if you enter. The existence of any contest 
does not bind the entire amateur radio universe to the rules of that contest. 
(Unless I missed a particular session of the ITU…)

When it’s Sunday afternoon in SS and QSO intervals are measured in tens of 
minutes, if someone calls me, I’m going to work him. I’m not going to ask if 
he’s ‘in the contest.’ Nothing prevents me from talking the guy through the 
exchange. If his idea of low power is a barefoot FT-2000D, I’m not going to get 
into a discussion about what radio he’s using. That he might be 50w over the 
limit for A is only a concern if he tries to enter as an A.

If you’re a DXCCer with an Alpha capable of legal limit, but the DX contest 
specifies maximum 1kw, are you required to cut back power to 1kw to work that 
rare one running Qs on 14.193? No. 

The vision of Charlton Heston holding the control panel for an ACOM-2000 over 
his head (“from my cold, dead hands”) comes to mind. 

If you’re in NAQP and some rare one wants to call you for WAS but needs a 
kilowatt to do it, are you required to tell him to only use 100w? No. (Also, 
would you necessarily know?)

When a Sprint and a state QSO party overlap, a station working only the QSO 
party is likely to also work guys in the Sprint, but that doesn’t bind him to 
the QSY rule. Nor does it mean Sprint guys can’t work him (and also give him a 
QP contact at the same time).

Do the rules for WRTC mean for that year, members of the entire IARU Radiosport 
community are each bound to a single tribander and wires only? I mean, you’re 
participating in WRTC if you work WRTC stations, yes?

Contesting has a bad enough reputation in the wider amateur community as it is. 
Telling them they can only work any of us if they pay slavish attention to 
rules they don’t need to care about isn’t going to help.

73, kelly, ve4xt

> On Mar 9, 2017, at 12:07 PM, Jim Brown <k9yc@audiosystemsgroup.com> wrote:
> No, it doesn't imply that at all.  When you work a station calling CQ 
> Contest, you are participating in the contest.
> Put another way -- it's perfectly legal to call a station in your 
> country who's calling CQ DX, but it's not a nice thing to do, and the 
> other station has every right to be pissed off. :)
> 73, Jim K9YC
> On Thu,3/9/2017 5:50 AM, Ria Jairam wrote:
>> That would imply that NAQP entrants have exclusive use of the bands 
>> during NAQP which is not the case.
>> I am not competing for anything in NAQP, stew or any other contest if 
>> I work a few contacts and don't submit a log. (I do submit a checklog 
>> out of courtesy sometimes) It is very much unreasonable to ask non 
>> participants to abide by the rules, plain and simple.
>> Ria
>> N2RJ
>> On Wed, Mar 8, 2017 at 12:50 PM Jim Brown 
>> <k9yc@audiosystemsgroup.com>
>> wrote:
>>> On Tue,3/7/2017 8:47 PM, Kelly Taylor wrote:
>>>> Those rules, and any rules, only apply to people actually entering 
>>>> the
>>> contest. Those who merely play radio during a contest with no 
>>> intention of filing a contest entry may use whatever technology is 
>>> permitted by their licence classes.
>>> When you participate in a contest by working other contesters, you 
>>> have entered the contest. You are competing for contacts, and use of 
>>> spots and high power give you an advantage over other callers. When 
>>> you win the QSO after a call, you have disadvantaged another 
>>> operator. Likewise, when you splatter or have a wide CW signal, you 
>>> disadvantage other operators. One of the pleasures of NAQP is that 
>>> it is a 100W contest with no spotting for single ops. Another 
>>> pleasure is that it's a team competition for single ops.
>>>> What signals ‘sound like’ can certainly be deceiving. Many times I 
>>>> have
>>> been running compromise antennas at less than 100w and been told I’m 
>>> the loudest guy on the band, but that’s simply the perfect alignment 
>>> of skip zones and takeoff angles. I often had trouble being heard by 
>>> other operators in the same general area.
>>> Yes, but when signals are from the same general area and one is a 
>>> lot louder, you know. :)
>>> 73, Jim K9YC
>>>> 73, kelly, ve4xt,
>>>>> I'm regularly disappointed that a significant number of NAQP
>>> participants don't obey the rules that require that a single-op be 
>>> non-assisted and no more than 100W, as indicated by obvious 
>>> cluster-inspired peaks of activity, and signals that sure don't 
>>> sound like 100W.
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