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Re: [CQ-Contest] KU1CW location

To: CQ-Contest Reflector <cq-contest@contesting.com>
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] KU1CW location
From: Peter Bowyer <peter@bowyer.org>
Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2017 17:53:28 +0100
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Well if you're operating remotely from outside the US, it doesn't - which
is a good part of the point here. The CEPT regulation is written such that
it covers the physical presence of a foreign-licensed operator in the US.
I've seen (but can't immediately turn up) a quote from an FCC official
confirming that interpretation, and that remote operation of a US station
from overseas using the CEPT privileges isn't permitted.

That's one reason why remotehamradio.com insist on every operator having a
US license. I'm getting mine later this year, with a bit of luck :-)

Peter G4MJS

On 5 June 2017 at 17:34, Dale Putnam <daleputnam@hotmail.com> wrote:

> "simply bring your CEPT or IARP documentation when you visit the US. "
>
> How does this get done?
>
>
> Have a great day,
> --... ...-- Dale - WC7S in Wy
>
> "Actions speak louder than words"
> 1856 - Abraham Lincoln
>
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* CQ-Contest <cq-contest-bounces@contesting.com> on behalf of Peter
> Bowyer <peter@bowyer.org>
> *Sent:* Monday, June 5, 2017 10:02 AM
> *To:* CQ-Contest Reflector
> *Subject:* Re: [CQ-Contest] KU1CW location
>
> Sorry Bob you're wrong there. FCC has adopted the CEPT T/R 61-01
> regulation to make reciprocal licensing easier.
>
> http://www.arrl.org/foreign-licenses-operating-in-u-s
> Foreign Licenses Operating in U.S. - American Radio Relay ...
> <http://www.arrl.org/foreign-licenses-operating-in-u-s>
> www.arrl.org
> The American Radio Relay League (ARRL) is the national association for
> amateur radio, connecting hams around the U.S. with news, information and
> resources.
>
>
> Peter G4MJS
>
> On 5 June 2017 at 13:07,  <w5ov@w5ov.com> wrote:
> > N2RJ said:
> >
> > " Just be careful that you are indeed doing so. CEPT T/R 61-01 is not
> > sufficient authorization for a European licensee to operate an internet
> > remote base in the US while being physically present overseas...."
> >
> > EU rules do not apply to amateur radio transmissions made from within the
> > USA under any circunstances.
> >
> > Where the operator is located is completely irrelevant.
> >
> > What happens on the air from a USA station is governed by US FCC Law -
> > nothing else.
> >
> > US Law applies and the operators must comply with FCC rules as if they
> were
> > physically within the USA.
> >
> > 73,
> >
> > Bob W5OV
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: CQ-Contest [mailto:cq-contest-bounces@contesting.com
> <cq-contest-bounces@contesting.com>] On Behalf Of Ria
> > Jairam
> > Sent: Saturday, June 3, 2017 5:53 PM
> > To: W4AAW@aol.com
> > Cc: CQ-Contest Reflector <cq-contest@contesting.com>
> > Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] KU1CW location
> >
> >> W1VE and other serious operators of remote-capable stations will agree
> >> with me:  We remote-capable stations are not trying to fool anyone or
> >> gain some sort of geographical or unfair advantage.  We're just being
> > competitive and striving to do so strictly within the rules.
> >
> >
> > There is really nothing wrong with trying to gain an advantage during a
> > contest. That's what contesting is. As long as it is within the rules.
> > Operating from elsewhere to do better in contests has been a staple of
> > contesting for pretty much as long as it has existed.
> >
> >>2. Alex is a member of TeamW4AAW, which operates the first Totally Remote
> > M/M station.
> >>We have 31 team members who operate W4AAW's positions from all over NA,
> >>from Panama,  Europe and Asia, provided they meet legal/licensing
> > requirements.
> >
> > Just be careful that you are indeed doing so. CEPT T/R 61-01 is not
> > sufficient authorization for a European licensee to operate an internet
> > remote base in the US while being physically present overseas. Even if
> they
> > were allowed, their home license restrictions and power limits (while not
> > exceeding US Extra) apply. In the UK it is
> > 400 watts for full licenses and in Germany it is 750W for class A
> licenses.
> > Other European countries may be different. The best thing for them to do
> to
> > be compliant with the laws of the US is to get a US license. There are VE
> > sessions in many countries overseas and one can get a license by passing
> the
> > (now very easy) exams. No code required, even.
> >
> >>4.  The 3830 comments for KU1CW @ W4AAW in the CQWPX CW test very
> >>clearly show the  locations of each operator.
> >
> > An awards chaser who isn't competing in the contest is unlikely to know
> > about nor care about 3830. The best thing to do would be to put the
> location
> > of the stations in the QRZ profile, which is the first place they look.
> >
> > 73
> > Ria, N2RJ
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Jun 2, 2017 at 4:30 PM, W4AAW@aol.com via CQ-Contest
> > <cq-contest@contesting.com> wrote:
> >> Here is the correct information on KU1CW in the CQWPX CW contest.
> >>
> >> 1. Alex has just moved to Washington State.  He has not yet modified his
> > license to reflect this recent development.
> >>
> >> 2. Alex is a member of TeamW4AAW, which operates the first Totally
> Remote
> > M/M station.  We have 31 team members who operate W4AAW's positions from
> all
> > over NA, from Panama, Europe and Asia, provided they meet legal/licensing
> > requirements.
> >>
> >> 3. Since a W4 call sign is common in WPX tests, I suggested to Alex we
> use
> > KU1CW for the contest.  Alex agreed. So, the entry (as shown on 3830) was
> > KU1CW@ W4AAW.
> >>
> >> 4.  The 3830 comments for KU1CW @ W4AAW in the CQWPX CW test very
> clearly
> > show the locations of each operator.
> >>
> >> If some people had bothered to read information that is readily
> available
> > in that posting, it would not have been necessary to cast aspersions.
> >>
> >> During some periods of the contest, Alex even operated SO2R, using two
> > W4AAW positions remotely, from Washington State.
> >>
> >> W1VE and other serious operators of remote-capable stations will agree
> > with me:  We remote-capable stations are not trying to fool anyone or
> gain
> > some sort of geographical or unfair advantage.  We're just being
> competitive
> > and striving to do so strictly within the rules.
> >>
> >> Cheers!
> >>
> >> 73, Mike W4AAW
> >>
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