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Re: [CQ-Contest] WRTC Qualifying

To: "rjairam@gmail.com" <rjairam@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] WRTC Qualifying
From: robert f beaudoin <wa1fcn@charter.net>
Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2018 11:13:49 -0500
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GM Ria and Bob

            After reading the post from you and Bob KQ2M I see your point.

            I did contest over 35 years from Conn. and sure as hell got beat

            a lot from others in NH or Me.  I usually thought they had much better

            stations ( true ) but I guess geography did play a part in it.

                        Good luck to ya in IARU/WRTC  will keep an ear open for you.

                    73 BoB WA1FCN  in Alabama


On 7/8/2018 10:52 AM, rjairam@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Robert,

In the USA I have operated from Florida, Arkansas and Texas and remotely from California.

The difference between NJ and Maine, NH or Vermont can be quite significant.

Yes up here it is better than the west coast but in contesting to work Europe the more North Easterly you are, the better because the band stays open longer.

73
Ria, N2RJ

On Sun, Jul 8, 2018 at 9:09 AM robert f beaudoin <wa1fcn@charter.net <mailto:wa1fcn@charter.net>> wrote:

         GM Ria

                 Maybe you have never operated from outside the NorthEast
    USA,  but I find it

         hard to sympathize with your comment about you as a W2 station
    having a geographic

             disadvantage against W1 land.  Your QTH in N. J. what is
    that
    100 miles from W1 land ?

                 I guess all things are relative but I sure wish I had
    your
    disadvantage.

                        73 and GM from from Alabama  WA1FCN


    On 7/7/2018 8:49 PM, rjairam@gmail.com <mailto:rjairam@gmail.com>
    wrote:
    > I’m looking at my case. Under the current criteria I have not a
    shot in
    > hell. Mostly because I’m competing with W1 who has an obvious
    geographic
    > advantage. When it was aligned with US Call districts it was a
    bit easier,
    > but I didn’t really try to qualify then.
    >
    > I guess the dream will have to wait, or I could spend money and
    build a
    > station in the Caribbean and operate, remotely even.
    >
    > I don’t think it will be possible to be completely fair but
    qualification
    > rules should prioritize skill first if this is going to be a
    competition of
    > who is the best operator. There are of course some damned good
    operators in
    > there but I think some who may not have access to a super duper
    station get
    > left out.
    >
    > 73
    > Ria
    > N2RJ
    > On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 9:21 PM Jeff Clarke <ku8e@ku8e.com
    <mailto:ku8e@ku8e.com>> wrote:
    >
    >>        6. Qualification Score Calculation
    >>
    >> The qualification score is the sum of up to 12 Event Scores.
    The maximum
    >> possible qualification score is 12.000 for DL, 11.900 for the
    rest of
    >> the world.
    >>
    >>   1. A maximum of 4 Event Scores may be from multi-ops (MS/M2/MM).
    >>   2. A maximum of 4 Event Scores can be from outside an
    applicant’s home
    >>      Selection Area (i.e., DXpeditions).
    >>   3. A maximum of 2 operators may submit scores for a single
    contest from
    >>      a MS, 3 from a M2, and 4 from a MM.
    >>   4. If an operator’s callsign appears with more than one entry
    in a
    >>      single qualifying event (e.g., from operating at more than one
    >>      station), they may not use any scores from that contest.
    >>   5. In the unlikely case of a tie score for the final
    qualifying spot in
    >>      a Selection Area, the applicants will be asked for
    additional scores
    >>      beyond those submitted on the application until the tie is
    broken.
    >>
    >> As long as you operate a station in your own qualification area
    as a SO
    >> it counts. That would ether be from home OR as a guest
    operator. That's
    >> how you could qualify without having a station at home.
    >>
    >> Jeff
    >>
    >>
    >> On 7/7/2018 05:38 PM, Timothy Coker via CQ-Contest wrote:
    >>> What if you had no home station, let alone a tribander with
    wires, could
    >> you qualify then?
    >>> Tim / N6WIN
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> On Saturday, July 7, 2018, 14:16, Igor Sokolov
    <ua9cdc@gmail.com <mailto:ua9cdc@gmail.com>> wrote:
    >>>
    >>> Yes, this was the first time one could qualify using low power.
    >>> Notwithstanding you have to have big antenna farm because even
    in Low
    >>> power category there were a lot of competitors. And yes, some
    of those
    >>> who have big stations did bother with doing low power.
    Tribander and
    >>> wires from the city lot is not enough to qualify for WRTC
    regardless of
    >>> power.
    >>>
    >>> 73, Igor UA9CDC
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> 07.07.2018 22:03, Jeff Clarke пишет:
    >>>> It's possible to qualify by doing low power. Your score would be
    >>>> compared to others that are doing low power and not the high
    power
    >>>> scores. If you do that you won't have to compete again the
    "big gun"
    >>>> stations in your region. Plus you aren't getting any reduction in
    >>>> score ( getting the same number of points same as HP SO guys)
    like
    >>>> someone who did Multi-Ops. I really doubt someone who has a big
    >>>> station would want to bother with doing low power.
    >>>>
    >>>> If I'm not mistaken Julio, AD4Z, who is one of the team
    leaders in our
    >>>> region (NA-002) did this and qualified.
    >>>>
    >>>> Jeff KU8E
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> On 7/6/2018 11:11 PM, Timothy Coker via CQ-Contest wrote:
    >>>>> I think what’s most interesting is the guys I know who
    typically win
    >>>>> don’t spend a lot of time complaining... they spend a lot of
    time
    >>>>> working at what makes them winners.
    >>>>> I can also think of some people who won/win that don’t have deep
    >>>>> pockets at all.
    >>>>> Some of the best operators don’t actually have big stations. Not
    >>>>> taking away from the big station owners at all, as some of
    them are
    >>>>> great operators themselves. However, many are willing to let the
    >>>>> latest up and coming great operators take their station
    seats to show
    >>>>> what can be done.
    >>>>> It makes sense to me because it takes a lot of time and
    effort to
    >>>>> either build or work to pay for others to build something
    expensive.
    >>>>> That same time is thus not spent on honing operating skills.
    >>>>> Very similar to how many athletes aren’t rich until after
    (and not
    >>>>> for all) they have worked so very hard to win and are given
    noteriety.
    >>>>> If a guy wants to remote or travel into my area and he beats
    me, so
    >>>>> be it... time for me to get better. Or maybe I don’t want to
    put in
    >>>>> the same operating skills effort that he did and thus I’ll
    just hope
    >>>>> he doesn’t return.
    >>>>> Competition is great... it shows how hard we are willing to
    work, or
    >>>>> not.
    >>>>> Tim / N6WIN.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>> On Friday, July 6, 2018, 14:45, Jim via CQ-Contest
    >>>>> <cq-contest@contesting.com
    <mailto:cq-contest@contesting.com>> wrote:
    >>>>>
    >>>>> I have a somewhat different perspective, being an Ohio
    snowbird who
    >>>>> spends half the year in Florida. As a practical matter I
    could not
    >>>>> qualify without a lot of travel or remote operating from W8.
    And I’m
    >>>>> not that stupid to head north from Florida in February  :-)
    >>>>>
    >>>>> I had my shot at WRTC in 2014 (as N1U with partner K9NW), but I
    >>>>> didn’t compete to qualify for 2018, and don’t see me trying to
    >>>>> qualify for future WRTCs, so don’t take these comments as
    being self
    >>>>> serving.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> If a W6 resident wants to operate from W1, let him do so,
    comparing
    >>>>> his scores with other W1 entrants. And conversely, if a guy
    living in
    >>>>> W1 is crazy enough to want to operate CQWW from W6, thinking the
    >>>>> qualifying competition there might be less, why stop him? Again,
    >>>>> compare his W6 score with other W6 scores, and let the WRTC
    >>>>> qualifying points go into his home W1 account.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> So long as a person is a legitimate resident of his
    qualifying area,
    >>>>> why stop him from operating from anywhere in the world,
    whether in
    >>>>> person or remotely? I don’t have a problem to allow someone like
    >>>>> LZ4AX to qualify from W3, but I would not let people become
    >>>>> “Africans” solely by virtue of a bunch of operating from
    zone 33.
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>> 73  -  Jim    K8MR
    >>>>>
    >>>>> p.s.  Keep in mind the motto of the Florida Contest Group:
    Sooner or
    >>>>> later, you’ll be one of us!
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>>> On Jul 6, 2018, at 4:16 PM, WW3S <ww3s@zoominternet.net
    <mailto:ww3s@zoominternet.net>> wrote:
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> A west coast ham, operating a remote station with antennas
    in Maine,
    >>>>>> should be competing as if he/she were physically in Maine.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> Sent from my iPad
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>> On Jul 5, 2018, at 11:56 PM, David Siddall
    <hhamwv@gmail.com <mailto:hhamwv@gmail.com>> wrote:
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> A W6 ham resident in California that operates a station on
    the east
    >>>>>>> coast,
    >>>>>>> whether by physical or remote means, could not qualify to
    be a team
    >>>>>>> leader
    >>>>>>> for the WRTC2018.  Rule 7.5 - 7.7, subject to Rule 6.2.
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> 73, Dave K3ZJ
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> On Thu, Jul 5, 2018 at 5:52 PM, Carol Richards
    <n2mm@comcast.net <mailto:n2mm@comcast.net>>
    >>>>>>>> wrote:
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> Hi,
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> I agree....where you operate _from_ should determine what
    region you
    >>>>>>>> compete in. A W6 in California operating a remote station
    on the
    >>>>>>>> East coast
    >>>>>>>> should not be grouped with other East coast stations to
    qualify
    >>>>>>>> for WRTC.
    >>>>>>>> This remote category is getting out of hand.
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> Carol
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