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Re: [CQ-Contest] FT8 not allowed in Winter Field Day?

To: Radio K0HB <kzerohb@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] FT8 not allowed in Winter Field Day?
From: "rjairam@gmail.com" <rjairam@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2019 11:55:53 -0500
List-post: <mailto:cq-contest@contesting.com>
In that case I think I'll stick to summer field day, then. There is a
vocal anti-FT8 contingent. I choose to boycott them if they are
hostile to a mode that for some has meant the difference between
making contacts and simply packing up and finding another hobby.

73
Ria, N2RJ

On Tue, 15 Jan 2019 at 11:16, Radio K0HB <kzerohb@gmail.com> wrote:
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> Darn!  I mis-spoke!
>
> FT8 is not allowed as stated at the top of the rules.
>
> K0HB
>
> On Tue, Jan 15, 2019 at 08:34 Radio K0HB <kzerohb@gmail.com> wrote:
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>> I just read the rules.
>>
>> As far as I can see, the FT8 mode is not specifically banned.
>>
>> If you can send and receive the required “contest exchange”, go ahead and 
>> use it.
>>
>> DISCLAIMER: I am not a member of the WFD rules committee, and I do not play 
>> one on TV.
>>
>> 73, de Hans, K0HB
>> “Just a Boy and his Radio”™
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>> On Tue, Jan 15, 2019 at 08:23 rjairam@gmail.com <rjairam@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Why?
>>>
>>> Is telemetry not an important capability we can use? This is a very
>>> practical possible application of WSJT modes. Furthermore even by
>>> itself modes like WSPR can help us automatically measure propagation
>>> to measure capabilities of our stations, i.e. determining when the
>>> band opens and closes at our location. You can even do that in FT8
>>> where a wider variety of signals from various places arrive at our
>>> antennas. And even going further, as mentioned, JS8Call takes FT8 all
>>> the way to a full conversational mode.
>>>
>>> There are hams now who are saying "FT8 is not real radio because it's
>>> computers talking to one another" or "it requires no skill." To that I
>>> say, nonsense. As hams we have found new ways to communicate over the
>>> years. We should embrace this sort of progress.
>>>
>>>
>>> 73
>>> Ria, N2RJ
>>>
>>> On Mon, 14 Jan 2019 at 22:42, Radio K0HB <kzerohb@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > That makes good sense to me.
>>> >
>>> > Communications modes in an emergency situation must be able to carry a
>>> > payload of information.  The mode must be robust enough to carry a payload
>>> > beyond “R-17” and “RR73”.
>>> >
>>> > 73, de Hans, K0HB
>>> > “Just a Boy and his Radio”™
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Mon, Jan 14, 2019 at 15:38 Sean Waite <waisean@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > > One comment that was suggested in a thread elsewhere was that Field Day 
>>> > > is
>>> > > about being able to test out our ability to deploy in "emergency"
>>> > > situations. FT8 cannot really be used in this type of situation because 
>>> > > of
>>> > > it's limited vocabulary.
>>> > >
>>> > > Sean WA1TE
>>> > >
>>> > > On Mon, Jan 14, 2019 at 3:44 PM Neil Johnson via CQ-Contest <
>>> > > cq-contest@contesting.com> wrote:
>>> > >
>>> > > > Just curious as to why the sudden rules change?
>>> > > >
>>> > > > https://www.winterfieldday.com/rules
>>> > > >
>>> > > > D-Star and Fusion contacts are allowed why not FT8?
>>> > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > > > --
>>> > > > Neil Johnson (N0SFH)
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>>> > 73, de Hans, K0HB
>>> > --
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>> --
>> 73, de Hans, K0HB
>> --
>> "Just a boy and his radio"™
>
> --
> 73, de Hans, K0HB
> --
> "Just a boy and his radio"™
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