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RE: [Karlnet] SNMP on KN-50

To: "'Karlnet Mailing List'" <karlnet@WISPNotes.com>
Subject: RE: [Karlnet] SNMP on KN-50
From: "Kevin Knuth" <kknuth@karlnet.com>
Reply-to: Karlnet Mailing List <karlnet@WISPNotes.com>
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 13:10:55 -0600
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NOT a stupid question!

Yes the board is our design.

The problem is in the UBICOM chip!  Although single chip solutions are a
blessing in that they reduce costs, they aslo are limited in how much
memory they have in them!

Our external memory is sufficient for our needs.  We cannot alter the
Ubicom chip.

Kevin

**************************************
Kevin R. Knuth
Business Development Manager
North America
260-424-9690 Regional Office
614-822-5275 Corporate Office
kknuth@karlnet.com
www.karlnet.com
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-----Original Message-----
From: karlnet-bounces@WISPNotes.com
[mailto:karlnet-bounces@WISPNotes.com] On Behalf Of Bob Hrbek
Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2003 10:39 AM
To: Karlnet Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Karlnet] SNMP on KN-50


maybe this is a stupid question but .....you had the hardware built to
your specs.....right?

Why not put enough rom on the board to handle today and the future?

-bob
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kevin Knuth" <kknuth@karlnet.com>
To: "'Norm Young'" <lists@applegatebroadband.net>; "'Karlnet Mailing
List'" <karlnet@WISPNotes.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2003 11:28 AM
Subject: [Karlnet] SNMP on KN-50


> All,
>
> Since there has been much discussion on the lists I did some checking 
> with the engineers.
>
> Bottom line: it is VERY doubtful that we can add SNMP support to the 
> KN-50. There is simply not enough room in the chip to accommodate 
> SNMP.
>
> Kevin
>
> **************************************
> Kevin R. Knuth
> Business Development Manager
> North America
> 260-424-9690 Regional Office
> 614-822-5275 Corporate Office
> kknuth@karlnet.com
> www.karlnet.com
> **************************************
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: karlnet-bounces@WISPNotes.com 
> [mailto:karlnet-bounces@WISPNotes.com] On Behalf Of Norm Young
> Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2003 10:23 AM
> To: Karlnet Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [Karlnet] KARLNET RESPONSE_ Reduction of 
> Karlnetfeaturesw/outnotification.
>
>
> I'd really like to see NAT/DHCP on the KN-50.   We've been insisting
on
> customer's purchase of a router and that we manage it.  However, it's 
> a slow slide into the hell of managing the customer's internal 
> network/devices.
>
> Norm
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Kevin Knuth" <kknuth@karlnet.com>
> To: "'Karlnet Mailing List'" <karlnet@WISPNotes.com>
> Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 9:19 AM
> Subject: RE: [Karlnet] KARLNET RESPONSE_ Reduction of Karlnet
> featuresw/outnotification.
>
>
> > In regards to your request list:
> >
> > 1. Once the initial Karlnet load is on, you will be able to upgrade 
> > units on your own.  So if you buy a KN-50 you will be able to do 
> > future upgrades. 2. Working hard on 802.11a.  Our initial BETA test 
> > had issues- apparently revolving around the older Atheros chipset.  
> > We
>
> > are waiting on two things:  Newer radios and mini-PCI versions of 
> > the KN-100, as we cannot find many cardbus 802.11a radios with 
> > external antenna connectors.  You could use a flashrom with the 
> > RADIOLAN radios.  We do have support for that currently. 3. I am 
> > checking on the SNMP support.  But it seems to me that there
> is
> > a technical reason it is not there (meaning- I do not think it can 
> > be added), But I am checking!
> >
> > Some of your other points are harder to answer.  Such as:
> >
> > Why is work going into hotspots instead of 802.11a or upgradeable 
> > KN-50s.  Actually, it is all going on.  We have teams of engineers 
> > working on different projects.  The Hotspot product (WARP) was 
> > driven by market demand.  We essentially have teams divided on the 
> > following
> > projects:
> >
> > Karlbridge- This is our standard product with our custom kernel for 
> > TurboCell and 802.11.
> > Hardware- Development of our own hardware and systems platforms
> > UBICOM- Development of features for UBICOM processors
> >
> > And 2 internal projects that I cannot mention at this time.
> >
> > I understand that from your viewpoint it often looks like Karlnet is

> > not progressing very fast.  What is actually more common is the 
> > following
> > scenario:  Karlnet is contracted by XYZ corp to add features to 
> > their EOM version of a UBICOM reference design.  That work is added 
> > to our knowledge base, so even if we do not fully implement the 
> > features of
> XYZ
> > corp, we have the ability too.  That is how NAT/DHCP came about.  We

> > have developed the feature for someone else, now we can put it in 
> > our own version too.  The TurboCell module gets in the way a bit, so

> > that requires some changes.  You must always remember, we are 
> > working the processor pretty hard with TurboCell, so it is not easy 
> > to add other features.
> >
> > What are we working on now?  Well, 802.11a support, new systems, and

> > enhanced features for the KN-50 are our primary projects.
> >
> > Hope that this clarifies some of your concerns!
> >
> > Kevin
> >
> > **************************************
> > Kevin R. Knuth
> > Business Development Manager
> > North America
> > 260-424-9690 Regional Office
> > 614-822-5275 Corporate Office
> > kknuth@karlnet.com
> > www.karlnet.com
> > **************************************
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: karlnet-bounces@WISPNotes.com 
> > [mailto:karlnet-bounces@WISPNotes.com] On Behalf Of Paul Horak
> > Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 8:42 PM
> > To: Karlnet Mailing List
> > Subject: Re: [Karlnet] KARLNET RESPONSE_ Reduction of Karlnet 
> > features
>
> > w/outnotification.
> >
> >
> > Thanks for the update Kevin. I hope you don't mind me giving my 2 
> > cents worth.
> >
> > I have tested a lot of different wireless solutions
> > and I think Karlnet still has the best solution out
> > there. However, I have also become a little frustrated
> > with Karlnet over the last year or so and worry about
> > the future. For someone with software so far ahead of
> > the game a while ago, there doesn't seem to have been
> > much progress and others are catching up fast. I
> > wonder if development time at Karlnet is stretched to
> > the limit? If so, I would happily get rid of DHCP,
> > NAT, etc. and just buy a $50 router to do it (but
> > please tell me first :-)).
> >
> > For me the key things I would like to see soon are:
> >
> > 1. Upgradable KN-50 type boards (having to send units
> > back for an upgrade is a disaster waiting to happen in
> > my view)
> > 2. 802.11a support (so we can use 5GHz)
> > 3. SNMP support in the KN-50s
> >
> > When I heard many months ago that 802.11a support was
> > going into beta test in 'a week or two' I thought you
> > would have a killer solution. The Turbocell software
> > is very good and I have yet to see another outdoor
> > wireless product more suitable for an ISP. I don't understand why 
> > devlopment time is going into Hotspot support and other features 
> > when basic problems like non-upgradeble KN-50s and lack of drivers 
> > for 802.11a still exist.
> >
> > If possible, I would love to hear what Karlnet
> > consider priorities for future devlopment. I hope it
> > is NOT NAT/DHCP support on the KN-50s....
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Paul
> >
> > --- Kevin Knuth <kknuth@karlnet.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > All,
> > >
> > > I wanted to give you an update.  I have been off
> > > work this week, but I
> > > still read email and was very concerned about the
> > > thread I was seeing
> > > here (yes, Karlnet DOES monitor this list and YES we
> > > do listen to
> > > customers).  ;)
> > >
> > > Anyway- We are adding NAT/DHCP back into the Sx-4000 series 
> > > licenses. This is NOT a limited time offer.
> > >
> > > >From what I gather, the decision to pull the
> > > Sx-4000 licenses was a
> > > based in a belief by our engineers that with the
> > > KN-50, there was no
> > > real benefit for the sx-4000 licenses anymore.
> > >
> > > Clearly this is incorrect!
> > >
> > > So- bottom line- You wanted a Sx-4000 license with
> > > NAT/DHCP- and you got
> > > it!
> > >
> > > Kevin
> > > **************************************
> > > Kevin R. Knuth
> > > Business Development Manager
> > > North America
> > > 260-424-9690 Regional Office
> > > 614-822-5275 Corporate Office
> > > kknuth@karlnet.com
> > > www.karlnet.com
> > > **************************************
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: karlnet-bounces@WISPNotes.com 
> > > [mailto:karlnet-bounces@WISPNotes.com] On Behalf Of Steve Deaton
> > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 3:34 PM
> > > To: 'Karlnet Mailing List'
> > > Subject: [Karlnet] Reduction of Karlnet features
> > > w/out notification.
> > >
> > >
> > > Just FYI, not trying to start any flaming, but be
> > > aware that karlnet is
> > > working on removing features like NAT & DHCP from
> > > the SR-4000 & possibly
> > > others.  We started flashing CPE's for our
> > > contractors to have next week
> > > & were met with an absence of NAT and DHCP as
> > > options.  This was a
> > > change that was made last night without
> > > notification, thus I am posting
> > > here.
> > >
> > > Our standardized install entails contractors picking
> > > up RG's or KN's
> > > with NAT & DHCP so they always have a standard installation & 
> > > don't need to understand IP addressing.  This is important when
> > > you have several
> > > different subnets that they will be connecting to
> > > (i.e. different towers
> > > & channels).  We then connect remotely on an
> > > as-needed basis & change
> > > settings if requested (i.e. client needs a public or
> > > static IP), but by
> > > default they're getting a NAT IP.  We have found
> > > this to be the best way
> > > to simplify things for installers.
> > >
> > > I'd appreciate input on this concept as I know
> > > Karlnet monitors this
> > > thread.  If many ISP's use the NAT & DHCP it may
> > > help motivate them in
> > > our favor.  If not, it will help karlnet relieve
> > > overhead by not
> > > offering these features in the future.  To confirm,
> > > if you're using
> > > bridging or routing as a normal setup, this won't
> > > effect anything, so
> > > don't stress.  However, if you normally implement NAT/DHCP it may 
> > > not be there anymore as of 7pm last night.  You will still
> > > pay the same for the
> > > licenses, but received reduced features unless you
> > > notify karlnet.  We
> > > found them to be interested in working with us to
> > > meet our needs, so
> > > this is more of a speed bump than a brick wall.
> > > They have offered to
> > > edit our web login, possibly all web logins, at license-it.com to
> > > offer options for NAT/DHCP, so voice your approval or
> > > disapproval so that they
> > > know what their users like.
> > >
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Steve Deaton
> > > IT Director
> > > Texas Broadband, Inc.
> > > (888)868.3835 ext 85 (office)
> > > 979.289.0148 (office)
> > > 979.289.5117 (fax)
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: karlnet-bounces@WISPNotes.com 
> > > [mailto:karlnet-bounces@WISPNotes.com] On Behalf Of Ben Polson
> > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 2:38 PM
> > > To: Karlnet Mailing List
> > > Subject: RE: [Karlnet] Conversion of SNR values to
> > > dB
> > >
> > > Thanks Phil.  Sure, I'd love to see what this has produced for 
> > > you.
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: karlnet-bounces@WISPNotes.com 
> > > > [mailto:karlnet-bounces@WISPNotes.com]On Behalf Of
> > > Phil
> > > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 12:33 PM
> > > > To: 'Karlnet Mailing List'
> > > > Subject: RE: [Karlnet] Conversion of SNR values to
> > > dB
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I'm not sure if it is correct but I've been
> > > dividing by 2 and then
> > > > subtracting 95.  I can show some examples of my
> > > S/N graphs that I
> > > > generate for all of our customers and APs if
> > > anyone wants to see them.
> > >
> > > > (not attached of course)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Ben Polson [mailto:bsp@bandwave.net]
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 11:33 AM
> > > > To: Karlnet Mailing List
> > > > Subject: [Karlnet] Conversion of SNR values to dB
> > > >
> > > > Does anyone know the algorithm to convert the
> > > INTEGER values returned
> > > > from the OIDs for signal and noise into dB values?
> > > >
> > > > A signal value of 86 and noise value of 10 aren't
> > > as helpful as the dB
> > >
> > > > values.  Thanks in advance.
> > > >
> > > > -Ben.
> > > >
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