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Re: [RFI] Nasty RFI wiping out higher bands

To: Kelly Johnson <n6kj.kelly@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [RFI] Nasty RFI wiping out higher bands
From: dalej <dj2001x@comcast.net>
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 16:47:17 -0600
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We just bought a Sony 46 inch LCD model KDL-46V3000 at B&H Photo, had  
it shipped in. It's quiet as a church mouse and zero TVI all bands.   
Great picture too.

TNX for info on the washer, we might be looking soon.  We have a LG  
microwave, it's been good.

Dale, K9VUJ



On 16, Dec 2008, at 16:06, Kelly Johnson wrote:

> I've mentioned this numerous times, but...
>
> My LG HE washer/dryer pair is whisper quiet.  Don't assume that all
> front load HE washers generate RFI.
>
> The key for me is to buy ONLY from brick-and-mortar stores that have a
> 30 day return policy.  I bought mine at Best Buy and told my wife that
> it was going back to the store if it generated RFI.  Both my wife and
> I were happy to find that it was quiet: quieter than my 14 year old
> CRT television.
>
> I'd love to buy a flatscreen television from a low-cost online
> retailer, but none of them allow returns so I'm stuck with paying a
> bit more for a brick-and-mortar store.  You get what you pay for.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 12:21 PM, Hardy Landskov <n7rt@cox.net> wrote:
>> Roger,
>> Ok so where do we buy appliances now that are RFI free? Seems like
>> everything is going digital with a microprocessor and a switching  
>> power
>> supply.
>> Hardy N7RT
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Roger (K8RI)" <k8ri@rogerhalstead.com>
>> To: "Paul Christensen" <w9ac@arrl.net>
>> Cc: <rfi@contesting.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2008 7:21 AM
>> Subject: Re: [RFI] Nasty RFI wiping out higher bands
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Paul Christensen wrote:
>>>>> We should all be writing our Directors asking for attention and  
>>>>> action
>>>>> on
>>>>> this issue.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Seems to me we should be writing the manufacturers of the devices.
>>>> Sec. 15.103(d) reads as follows:
>>>>
>>>> "(d) A digital device utilized exclusively in an appliance, e.g.,
>>>>   microwave oven, dishwasher, clothes dryer, air conditioner  
>>>> (central or
>>>>   window), etc."
>>>>
>>>> What exactly is "etc.?"   We cannot continue to allow the  
>>>> drafting of
>>>> these
>>>> absurdly-constructed rules that allow anyone to fill in the  
>>>> blanks with
>>>> any
>>>> device they deem to be an "appliance" when such terms as "etc." are
>>>> written
>>>> into the rules.
>>>>
>>> Looks plain to me.  If you have a digital device used in *anything*
>>>>> In the meantime, it would be very interesting to know whether a  
>>>>> good
>>>>> filter (common plus differential mode) on the line cord..."
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Not on my GE Harmony washer.  I tried an outboard ICE RFI filter  
>>>> on the
>>>> line
>>>> cord and it had zero impact on RFI.    There's a lot more going  
>>>> on inside
>>>> a
>>>> direct-drive washer that precludes total RFI abatement.  Large  
>>>> inductive
>>>> loops are used on the circumference of the washer's basin and  
>>>> these are a
>>>> source of direct RFI radiation.  And even if RFI could be  
>>>> reasonably
>>>> mitigated, who wants to assume the risk of voiding their standard  
>>>> or
>>>> extended warranties by modifying the appliance?
>>>>
>>>
>>>> I confronted GE's two design engineers on this matter.  They  
>>>> didn't beat
>>>> around the bush:  They emphatically stated they had no doubt the  
>>>> washer
>>>> was
>>>> emitting RFI, built that their product was Part-15-exempt and as a
>>>> manufacturer, they are under no further duty to mitigate the RFI.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> No device like this is exempt. They either don't know, or are  
>>> blowing
>>> smoke, particularly when even electric fences, and door bells are  
>>> covered.
>>>> In my opinion, Sec. 15.103(d) should be completely removed from the
>>>> Rules.
>>>>
>>>> Paul, W9AC
>>>>
>>>>
>>> I'd go back to the dealer which is the first thing I'd have tried  
>>> even
>>> before trying to remedy the problem with the washer and dryer, but
>>> forewarned is now forearmed.  I wouldn't purchase any appliance  
>>> without
>>> the understanding that if it caused interference they'd be getting  
>>> it
>>> back.  Most any reputable dealer including the big box stores will  
>>> do
>>> this.
>>>
>>> 73
>>>
>>> Roger (K8RI)
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