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Re: [RFI] Update on the Boston area RFI

To: "RFI List" <rfi@contesting.com>, "Ash Thornton" <thorntonash@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [RFI] Update on the Boston area RFI
From: "Alan Robinson" <robinsah@engr.orst.edu>
Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 12:53:25 -0800
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A couple of thoughts............

The fact that the noise (RFI) goes away after a storm would indicate an outside 
source on the power line. It also means that the source is not inside an 
arrester. So using an ultrasonic locator, like the Radar Engineers Model 250, 
should be helpful in locating the source(s) after the pole is identified.

You didn't say what kind of yagi antenna they were using with the Radar 
Engineers RFI locator. So I will assume that it is actually the log periodic 
that comes with the Model 240 RFI Locator. This beam is essentially a two 
element beam with a wide frequency response. I would suggest using a 
multi-element yagi, such as the Cushcraft A4496S, a 6 element yagi for 440 to 
450 MHz. It is much more directional and with higher gain. I sometimes use an 8 
element 685 MHz yagi. This antenna is like a "flashlight" for RFI. The Model 
240 does have an RF antenuator. So strong signals can be located. 

In my experience, if you get a good DF signal at 685 MHz, you found the pole 
with the offending hardware. Then use the 250 Ultrasonic to pin point the part 
that needs replacing. 

In one recent case I worked on the offending hardware turned out to be one of 
the new solid state lightning arresters. Naturally I couldn't get an audio 
signal from it. But I did have a very strong DF signal at 685 MHz. Then the 
local utility used a Model 247-B Hotstick Line Sniffer and found the part 
immediately. The arrester was replaced and that pole has been quiet ever since. 
It had been producing S9+ interference for more than a mile.

Good luck with you RFI locating.


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Ash Thornton 
  To: RFI List 
  Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2010 10:08 AM
  Subject: [RFI] Update on the Boston area RFI

  Some of you had requested I follow up on my findings here in the  
  Boston area.

  And, thank you to all for the tips and suggestions.

  NStar did come out last week with their Radar Engineering VHF/UHF  
  gear with a yagi for pinpointing the noise. The noise was so high  
  along the power lines they could not pinpoint a specific pole or spot  
  unfortunately. Not sure just what this means. So, their next step is  
  to upgrade the grounds they found that were below spec.

  Interestingly, just after they were out we had a light, wet snow and  
  the noise quickly all but disappeared for about 15 hours and then  
  quickly rose back to previous level. This has happened each time we  
  have had a storm. This last snow was so light  and the noise  
  disappeared with the first few flakes it is hard to believe that  
  helped, but there was a big rise in the humidity? I would assume this  
  indicates an out door fault, given the correlation with snow?

  There was a very low level of noise coming from the same area, but  
  did not have a chance to get back to check it with the 440 Mhz RCVR,  
  but will be ready next time.

  Stay tunedand thanks,



  Was thinking about calling our volunteer fire Dept to hose the poles  
  down given we don't use hammers, but.......Just kidding
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