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Re: [RFI] w7ekb & ground rods

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Subject: Re: [RFI] w7ekb & ground rods
From: Jim Brown <jim@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Reply-to: jim@audiosystemsgroup.com
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2015 10:31:05 -0800
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On Mon,1/19/2015 10:01 AM, Mike King - KM0T wrote:
For what it's worth, you will find the ground rod resistance calculations in
the IEEE Green Book, that's where the rule of thumbs come from on ground rod
spacing verses length.  Lots of other good grounding stuff there too.

Yes, and that's an excellent reference on grounding. I own it, and studied it long enough ago that I'd forgotten what I'd seen where. :)
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From: RFI [mailto:rfi-bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf Of EDWARDS, EDDIE J
Sent: Monday, January 19, 2015 11:24 AM
To: 'Rik van Riel'; rfi@contesting.com
Subject: Re: [RFI] w7ekb & ground rods

Rik,

In quick scan couldn't find anything on NEC Article 250 supporting your
statement.  Did you find anything in 250?  I only found a reference to "6 ft
minimum" distance, but that might be old reference and depend on length of
the ground rod.  This makes sense for NEC since it's worried more about AC
electrical safety not RF grounding.  In comm buildings R56 calls for using
both an underground ground ring/buss and bonded ground rods as a single
system bonded together.

NEC has always been especially lax about the requirements for grounding electrodes. One of the reasons for that is that BONDING is far more important than the earth connection with respect to safety. Another is that the nature of the earth varies so widely from one place to another. Remember that NEC is a GUIDELINE code, written by a group of excellent engineers, for local jurisdictions to use as they see fit. It's a very good code, and is updated every three years.

However, your statement about rods closer than twice the length being
unproductive is true.  It is a waste of money and has little effect on
ground resistance, but I doubt it does much harm if any overall.  And the
"two-times length" maximum is also true.

I'd rather have any and all above ground, bonding connections from/to each
service (AC, cable TV, ham radio, telephone) as short of a run as possible
to the earth (e.g. buried, bonded ground rods) even if that meant the 8 ft
rods were only 6-8 ft apart.  This would be required for an RF single point
ground system as I know it.

These are interesting NEC links for those with time on their hands:

I didn't watch the video, but the slide show content is quite good.

73, Jim K9YC
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