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Re: [RTTY] power and antennas (was ZC4LI)

To: "B. Smith" <billn3xl@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [RTTY] power and antennas (was ZC4LI)
From: Bernd DC3HB <dc3hb@freenet.de>
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 12:27:52 +0100
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Hi Bill,

> But why not power too?

Now we have 7 categories. With power we would have 11 categories (A-D
LOW/HIGH, E-G only HIGH) or 12 categories. (A-E LOW/HIGH, F+G only HIGH)

Much as I would like this I think that 7 categories are enough.

> assuming average equity in power and other factors for these stations.

I think that it's so.

73 Bernd, DC3HB


B. Smith schrieb:
> Interesting that you recognize antenna significance in your rules. But why 
> not power too? 
> 
> A quick take  the top performers in each category tells me that beamers 
> average 40% more effective than the little antennas, assuming average equity 
> in power and other factors for these stations: 
> 
> Raw QSO numbers of  top 10 stations operating 6 hours ea antenna category, 
> 
> BIG (cat B)            LITTLE (cat D)
> 433                        281
> 
> 364                        236
> 300                        226
> 319                        187
> 338                        248
> 280                        241
> 295                        258
> 327                        241
> 320                        191
> 284                        219
> ------                        -----
>  3260                     2328
> 
> I enjoyed your contest. Next time I'll try to enter in the correct category! 
> hi hi.
> 
> 73,
> Bill N3XL
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ________________________________
> From: Bernd DC3HB <dc3hb@freenet.de>
> To: RTTY@contesting.com
> Sent: Thu, February 18, 2010 11:14:49 AM
> Subject: [RTTY] power and antennas (was  ZC4LI)
> 
> Hello Bill,
> 
>> antennas are ignored by 99% of the contest rules
> 
> please have a look in the rules from our "DL-DX RTTY Contest".
> 
> http://www.drcg.de
> 
> We don't have power categories. We have categories for
> 
> - SO1R / SOnR
> - big antennas (beam) / small antennas (dipol, GP)
> - 6-HOURS / 24-HOURS
> 
> A station with GP and 750W (legal power in DL) has less chance than a
> station with 100W and Beam.
> 
> 73 Bernd, DC3HB
> DL-DX RTTY Contest Manager
> 
> 
> B. Smith schrieb:
>> Complaining about rules is silly, when the antenna has as much to do with 
>> radiated power as does the transmitter power output, and antennas are 
>> ignored by 99% of the contest rules. Since this is the case and it probably 
>> won't change, I recommend just follow the rules, enjoy your accomplishments 
>> with whatever equipment you have. QRP rigs just need a bigger antenna not an 
>> amp! If you look at it this way, then the rules aren't so "ill advised." Hi 
>> hi.
>>
>> 73,
>> Bill N3XL
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: john <w8wej@citynet.net>
>> To: Don Hill AA5AU <aa5au@bellsouth.net>
>> Cc: rtty@contesting.com
>> Sent: Tue, February 16, 2010 5:54:56 PM
>> Subject: Re: [RTTY] Re ZC4LI AMPS !!
>>
>> I believe that the fine folk at naq need to take another look at this 
>> rule in that this really handicaps folk that run qrp or lower power rigs 
>> usually, but in some contests etc,to reach the 100 wt limit-- again,,, 
>> and Ive said it before ,,, it is a personal thing with me, I guess, but 
>> if I have to cheat,,, I don't want it
>> \point is  folks in naqp,,,please take another look at this rule,,, I 
>> really think , that well intended, it is well ill advised
>> thanks john w8wej
>>
>> Don Hill AA5AU wrote:
>>> There's nothing wrong with running an amp while operating in the low power 
>>> category if the rules permit it. As long as you don't
>>> exceed the legal output for that category and it's not specified in the 
>>> rules, it's perfectly legit to do so.  NAQP RTTY is one
>>> contest that states you cannot use external amplifiers capable of running 
>>> more than 100 watts. Here's the rule:
>>>
>>> "6. Output power must be limited to 100 watts for eligible entries. Use of 
>>> external amplifiers capable of more than 100 watts output
>>> is not allowed."
>>>
>>> I used to run amps on both radios when running low power in contests that 
>>> allow less than 150 watts.  I started this a long time ago
>>> when I ran Icom IC-751A radios.  I called Icom one day and asked them if I 
>>> could run the 751A at full output on FSK and was told
>>> "That's what we designed them to operate at".  Now I think nearly all low 
>>> power categories have limits of 100 watts (some used to be
>>> 150 watts).  I no longer use external amps when running low power.  If you 
>>> are going to run an amp low power, it's best to set up an
>>> ALC so you don't accidently go over 100 watts.  Because once you do, you 
>>> have then broken the rules.
>>>
>>> 73, Don AA5AU
>>> http://www.aa5au.com
>>> http://www.rttycontesting.com 
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: rtty-bounces@contesting.com [mailto:rtty-bounces@contesting.com] On 
>>> Behalf Of Stuart Spatz
>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 3:30 PM
>>> To: rtty@contesting.com
>>> Subject: Re: [RTTY] Re ZC4LI AMPS !!
>>>
>>> I see nothing wrong with using the amp as long as it is running at 100 
>>> watts or less. I have often thought about doing that, since
>>> all I have now is an Icom 757 and hate to run RTTY at 100 watts. I could 
>>> save the radio and the amp could idle along at 100 watts. 
>>>
>>> 73
>>> Stu
>>> K4MIL
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