On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 1:47 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV <lists@subich.com> wrote:
>
> Marty,
>
> Like you I'm tired of the semi-annual attack on SO2R operators and
> those who use every alleged instance of cheating as a pretense to
> attack SO2R.
>
> > A single op operating one station cannot compete with another
> > single op who possess the skill and hardware to operate two
> > stations almost simo.
>
> And the answer to that is "so what?" Nowhere else in amateur
> radio do we separate operators by skill levels, antenna size,
> transceiver sensitivity, number of receivers, or any number
> of other parameters.
>
> ## On the contrary.
## We put those folks in the multi transmitter class.
> Keep the discussion productive and address cheating - stop using
> the cheating problem as a pretense to engage in the amateur
> equivalent of class warfare.
>
> 73,
>
> ... Joe, W4TV
>
> On 6/14/2010 4:23 PM, Martin Bluhm wrote:
> > Sorry Joe, but have to disagree with you on this one up to a point. On
> the
> > cheating angle, I have to agree.
> > This horse was ridden very hard and hung up soaking wet a few months
> back.
> > My feelings towards SO2R have not changed; although
> > Like I say in the terms of cheating, I go along with you. Not opening the
> > former thread again, it comes down to a competitive nature,
> > Where the SO2R ops should be in a class by themselves. They are very
> skilled
> > and my hats off to them for doing what they do. A single op operating one
> > station cannot compete with another single op who possess the skill and
> > hardware to operate two stations almost simo. The numbers do not add up.
> > Let them compete with each other. That is the only way.
> >
> > Enough said, back into the woodwork.
> > 73
> > Marty
> > W8AKS
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: rtty-bounces@contesting.com [mailto:rtty-bounces@contesting.com]On
> > Behalf Of Joe Subich, W4TV
> > Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 20:13
> > To: rtty@contesting.com
> > Subject: Re: [RTTY] Cheating
> >
> >
> > > I think SO2R should be in a class by itself. IN ALL CONTESTES... Or
> > > lump it together with some multi class.
> >
> > No! When used properly SO2R is nothing more than a way to change bands
> > quickly. If the operator has the hardware and skill to to that legally
> > there is nothing wrong with SO2R. If the operator lacks skill (and
> > ethical compass) to use the hardware within the rules, report him/her
> > to the contest sponsors for the necessary action.
> >
> > There is no justification for treating one set of SINGLE OPERATORS any
> > differently from any others based only on the hardware located in their
> > stations.
> >
> > 73,
> >
> > ... Joe, W4TV
> >
> > On 6/14/2010 1:36 PM, James Colville wrote:
> >> Agreed Cheryl!
> >> I think SO2R should be in a class by itself. IN ALL CONTESTES... Or lump
> > it
> >> together with some multi class.
> >>
> >> 73
> >> Jim W7RY
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 9:31 AM, Cheryl Whitlock<cherwhit@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >>
> >>> Don and all,
> >>>
> >>> Cheating is one of the reasons I do not like SO2R. That is bad enough,
> > but
> >>> it ties up too many frequencies on already crowded bands on contests
> >>> weekends as well. I don't see things changing until contest sponsors
> > start
> >>> banning SO2R from the contests, which I would cheer if they did. It
> > really
> >>> irks me to call CQ and get a message that the frequency is in use, but
> no
> >>> immediate contacts are made.
> >>>
> >>> As far as cheating in general, I know a ham who has run high power in
> the
> >>> contest, but enters under low power. What is the thrill in that?
> >>>
> >>> 73,
> >>>
> >>> Cheryl, AA4YL
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