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Subject: Re: [RTTY] Debate
From: "Joe Subich, W4TV" <lists@subich.com>
Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2013 16:02:38 -0500
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Jeff,

Don't fret about it ... it's the "British" way just like insisting
that someone operating entirely wthin the rules of their own licensing
authority use a different callsign when their legally issued call does
not match some third party's understanding of the present purpose of
call areas.

73,

   ... Joe, W4TV


On 2/18/2013 3:47 PM, Jeff Stai wrote:
hi John - I do get that. Let me put it another way...

I can decide to operate in the BARTG Expert class for the Sprint. I can
operate 1 or more radios and change bands whenever I want. I am not
burdened by any band change rule in this case.

Or, I can decide to operate in the SOAB class. Now I must take care not to
change bands too often. This rule burdens the entrant who chooses to
operate SOAB to follow the band change rule.

Or, I can just decide to get on the air and make contacts. I don't want to
worry about band changes so I just S&P and chase spots. In this case my
rule-ignoring behavior could inadvertently land me in the Expert class
because of band changes.

Notice how the operators who don't want to to operate Expert are the ones
who have an extra rule to follow.

If I then extend the concept of a band change rule to distinguish whether a
station is SOnR or not, you are again putting the onus on the one-radio
station - that does not want to be considered SOnR - to follow a rule.

That's the rub. - jeff wk6i


On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 3:56 AM, John GW4SKA <ska@bartg.org.uk> wrote:

**
The BARTG Expert rules were intended to 'burden' the minority of SOAB
stations running SO2R. It simply puts them all together in a class with an
'expert' label. This leaves the SO1R majority (the 'casual' contesters) in
their own class without unfair opposition.

Rules that cannot be enforced are not worth having. It's impossible for a
contest manager to know how many radios are in use ... but the bandchanges
can be seen in a log ... and SO2R is mostly about bandchanging. That's why
BARTG don't have classes split into SO1R, SO2R, QRP, low power, high power
etc.

John GW4SKA



----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff Stai" <wk6i.jeff@gmail.com>
To: "John Merrill" <johnn1jm@gmail.com>
Cc: <rtty@contesting.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2013 6:06 PM
Subject: Re: [RTTY] Debate

On Sat, Feb 16, 2013 at 8:20 PM, John Merrill <johnn1jm@gmail.com>
wrote:

Some contests do have an expert category.


Indeed. However, taking the BARTG Sprint Expert Class as an example, the
burden of following the rule is actually on the non-Expert. Experts can
change bands at will but regular SOAB "...may only change band once in
any
5 minute period."

The trick of defining an SOnR class is to define it in a way that does
not
burden the casual contester. I think that's why you haven't seen it yet
in
more contests.

- jeff wk6i




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