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Re: [TenTec] Lowest loss matching an antenna for my Argonaut 509

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Subject: Re: [TenTec] Lowest loss matching an antenna for my Argonaut 509
From: Stuart Rohre <rohre@arlut.utexas.edu>
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Date: Thu, 08 May 2008 15:35:02 -0700
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Don't forget the "magic" 50 ohm point for a single band dipole is not 
the natural impedance of the dipole.  The dipole over a certain 
conductivity of earth at approzimately a quarter wave height, will show 
72 ohms approximately.  Now, if it rains this changes, it there is 
drought this changes, etc.  Thus, you never can depend on having 72 
ohms, or 50 ohms at some other height, all the time.  A mismatch of 72 
to 50 is only about 1.5:1 SWR, which is of minimal concern.  All of the 
reflected power at SWR 1.5 will eventually radiate from the dipole less 
cable losses for each trip up and back and up to the antenna.
Using a particular impedance cable does not change anything at the 

It is a combination of matching the rig impedance, and using a tuner in 
between to remove SWR at the rig end, that creates an antenna system.  
You will still have 72 ohms at the antenna center, and 50 ohms on the 
end of the tuned cable, but this short distance reflection at the end of 
the coax is of almost unmeasured loss from the coax end to its 
attachment to the elements.

Even lower loss than using tuned coax would be to use higher than coax 
impedance balanced feeders.  Check the losses per 100 feet for 450 ohm 
nominal window line and that for any half inch coax, in the catalogs.  
Higher impedance lines mean you have lower current and less I squared R 
losses in the line.

-Stuart Rohre

Jim WA9YSD wrote:
> Lowest loss matching an antenna has to be the antenna that does not
> need a metal composite balun or a tuner and use only Type "N" connectors 
> through out.
> With that said, and saw some one say use single band antennas.
> Use a COAX CHOKE at the feed point.  
> You want a 50 ohm center impedance at the feed point and use 50 ohm coax.
> At this is telling me that an inverted vee would be the optimal antenna to 
> use.
> If you have a 100 foot tower and a yagi at the top and all what I just had 
> said was can be ignored.
>  Keep The Faith, Jim K9TF/WA9YSD
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