I agree AND I was trying to make the point that at the time I bought my
Corsair II station in 1988, I was buying technology that met MY requirements
as a DXer for sensitivity, no phase noise, and large signal handling
capability in the pile-ups. I could have purchased a Japanese manufactured
radio for more or less money. I could have purchased a leading / bleeding
edge technology from TenTec ( the Corsair II was in its last year of
production at that time) but none seemed to do what the Corsair II and ext
VFO could for the price. I have purchased and traded in / sold both a
Paragon (extended coverage capability for MARS was the primary driver) and
an OMNI-VI+ while keeping the Corsair II. Just after Dayton this year I
purchased a OMNI-VII, PS, and 300 and 500Hz filters. The total cost of the
OMNI-VII station was less than the cost of the OMNI-VI+ or the Corsair II
price adjusted for inflation. In my opinion, TenTec radio technology
continues to get better at a lower price.
The Eagle appears to be a great radio for the price. Is it a replacement
for a OMNI-VII or Orion? No. Will it satisfy everyone's needs, wants, or
requirements? No.
It may be possible to manufacture / market a 100 Watt SDR for less than
$1000; think FLEX 1500 with a 100 W PA, but you'll still have a radio
without knobs and a computer requirement for control. And in any SDR you do
need to consider the cost of the computer because if you are going to be
competitive in the pile-up or contest the computer needs to be as good as or
better than the SDR, so the computer and screen are going to add $750 to
$1000 to the SDR's cost.... whoaaa we are at the cost of an Eagle.
73,
Gary - AB9M
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From: "Kris Merschrod" <Kris@merschrod.net>
Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 6:08 AM
To: "Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment" <tentec@contesting.com>
Subject: Re: [TenTec] The Eagle inflation costs, etc.
Gary raises the question. The Cosair $1940 in 1988 and inflates to $3580
in
present dollars.
BUT, Joe provides the answer. Instead of "controlling for technology" (or
gzimos) which is like comparing apples to pears from the same orchard, we
need to control of a constant of some sort. Joe provides to clue in his
"I
design and sell 25-100k$ tube audio gear for crazy rich people ." The
satisfaction index, No offense, but some of our non-ham friends think
that
we are "crazy" when internet had replaced us..; rich? Well, that is a
relative. But, gettiong to the point, at the time that the decision was
made to buy the Trition, Delta, Corsair, etc. we all had a reached the
decision poit because ti would satisfy our desires. Sort of like the
saturation point of a component and we flip to positive from neutral.
So, if we flip for the Eagle at less than $2k today, then we are getting a
better deal for satisfaction and excitement (plus grief from the XYL for
bringing in another "box").
Judging from the excitement here, I'd say that Tentec is doing a great
job.
:>)
73,
Kris
Merschrod
123 Warren Road
Ithaca, NY 14850
www.merschrod.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "CSM(r) Gary Huber" <glhuber@msn.com>
To: "Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment" <tentec@contesting.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 10:18 PM
Subject: Re: [TenTec] The Eagle inflation costs, etc.
I just pulled the sales slip for my Corsair II, 263 ext. VFO, 282 and
288
filter, 705 mic, and 961 PS purchased on 10-21-88.
(still on the desk as the back-up rig and psk-31 radio)
The total price then was $1940.00 ........ what would that be in 2010
dollars?
73,
Gary - AB9M
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From: "John Molenda" <cdistflatfoot@gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 6:36 PM
To: "Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment" <tentec@contesting.com>
Subject: Re: [TenTec] The Eagle inflation costs, etc.
Well said Art ! John kb2huk
On 9/27/2010 1:57 PM, Art Trampler wrote:
One needs to remember that the surge in American prosprity, post WW2,
was
largly because with the possible exception of Argentina, the US had the
only sizable industrial/manufacturing infratstructure left in the world.
Bombs took care of the rest.Peron took care of Argentina.
So for 25 years the only place one could turn for halfway decent to good
consumder goods was the US; and for another 15 years, the only place to
go for decent capital goods was the US.
Under that system wages and benefits grew considerably as there was
little (price) elasticity of demand for US made products, as substitutes
were largely unavailable.
This is no longer the case and said change, coupled with comparative
advantages in labor and tax rates (and in many countries regulatory
costs), makes the US goods relatively mroe expensive worldwide, even
without an artificially devalued yuan. Of course productivity benefits
used to offset the wage differential, but that gap is closing too.
I think we need to recall the state of the world's industrial base post
WW2 to understand the arc that we are on.
Art, KØRO
PS: I'd happily own an Orion II and maybe an Eagle (let's hope it does
not turn out to be a screaming chicken). There aren't many rigs for
which
I'd give up my Omni VI.
PPS: Good thing this is not another reflector concerned more with
vertically oriented implements of steel and aluminium; we'd have been
warned to find a more suitable venue by now!
--- On Mon, 9/27/10, Kris Merschrod<Kris@merschrod.net> wrote:
From: Kris Merschrod<Kris@merschrod.net>
Subject: Re: [TenTec] The Eagle inflation costs, etc.
To: "Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment"<tentec@contesting.com>
Date: Monday, September 27, 2010, 12:48 PM
I, too have been drawn into the QSO here. If you use the US currancy
inflater at :
http://www.usinflationcalculator.com/
Then at $700 in 1978 the Titon would be $2,343 today. So T-T is
running
at
the inflation rate. Unfortunately, the competition started off way
below
our wage rates and is still way below - hence the low cost of imported
radios.
Our blind faith in free-market ideology has kept us from looking around
to
see what is happening (or what was happening to other countries when we
had
the comparative advantage). Balanced trade would have been a better
strategy, but, heck, when you are sitting at the card table and the
chips
are flowing your way, who would want to change the game?
I wonder why the house keeps giving us more chips to play with when it
is
obvious that our luck has run out? Actually, the answer to that
question
is
in a great book called "1421" It is about the Chinese navagation
advances,
but also about their trading policies way back then.
We are playing checkers and they are playing Go.
Moral of the story? Buy Tentec!
Kris KM2KM
Merschrod
123 Warren Road
Ithaca, NY 14850
www.merschrod.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Pumbaa"<pinkertontommrs@bellsouth.net>
To: "Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment"<tentec@contesting.com>
Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 12:47 PM
Subject: Re: [TenTec] The Eagle
A lot of people did not have their income increase some 285% from 1978
to
today. That is the problem as companies can't sell as many ham radio
sets
as they do large LCD TV sets. HTs now seem very cheap especially a
certain
brand made in China. If your income has equaled the inflation rate then
today's radios are probably cheaper than those of 1978,
----- Original Message -----
From: "mike bryce"<prosolar@sssnet.com>
To: "Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment"<tentec@contesting.com>
Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 10:52 AM
Subject: Re: [TenTec] The Eagle
This has been an interesting thread. It got me out of the shadows.
I haven't looked it up but in 1978 the triton was someplace around $700
stripped with no noise blanker or cw filters, analog version.
today that's about over two grand.
<Clip>
Mike, WB8VGE
SunLight Energy Systems
The Heathkit Shop
http://www.theheathkitshop.com/
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