I only tried delaying one of the EXT TR relays and it made no
difference on the relay clacking - I didn't try delaying both of them.
On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 8:04 AM, Rick - DJ0IP / NJ0IP <Rick@dj0ip.de> wrote:
> Barry, if you delay those relays, they won't follow the cw keying and they
> won't clack.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tentec-bounces@contesting.com [mailto:tentec-bounces@contesting.com] On
> Behalf Of Barry N1EU
> Sent: Monday, November 14, 2011 2:00 PM
> To: Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment
> Subject: Re: [TenTec] Orion's break in
>
> Right, but he's asking specifically about the audible relay clacking.
>
> Barry N1EU
>
> On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 7:51 AM, <d.e.warnick@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>> On the Orion II:
>>
>> If you go to:
>>
>> MENUS , TX, there is an EXT T/T Delay1 (or Delay 2) and that
>>
>> "provides "hang time" for non-QSK linear amplifier"
>>
>>
>>
>> If you go to:
>>
>> MENUS, CW, There is a CW QSK Delay that "Allows the operator to slow the QSK
>> operation in CW transmit. A higher value represents more transmit/receive
>> delay between individual transmitgted CW characters. This delay control also
>> controls the deelay of the QSK amplifier keying loops and the delay set for
>> outputs at AMP KEY 1 and AMP KEY 2. The default value is 20%."
>>
>>
>>
>> The above is from my Orion II manual.
>>
>>
>>
>> The part that is a bit vague to me is the default of 20% in the CW menu. I
>> should think that a delay of 0% would be true QSK, similar to my Omni VI+,
>> but I have no way to measure it. I'm sure that John Henry can teoll us what
>> value to set to have the same performance as the older Omni VI, and Corsair
>> II had.
>>
>>
>>
>> Dave
>>
>> WA3F
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>
>>
>> From: "Barry N1EU" <barry.n1eu@gmail.com>
>> To: "Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment" <tentec@contesting.com>
>> Sent: Monday, November 14, 2011 6:17:09 AM
>> Subject: Re: [TenTec] Orion's break in
>>
>> Two relays?
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 10:22 AM, Rick - DJ0IP / NJ0IP <Rick@dj0ip.de> wrote:
>>> That makes no sense at all.
>>> One would think that it adjusts the hang time of the Linear's own relay,
>>> and therefore the Orion's internal relay would have to stop clacking.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: tentec-bounces@contesting.com [mailto:tentec-bounces@contesting.com]
>>> On Behalf Of Barry N1EU
>>> Sent: Monday, November 14, 2011 11:08 AM
>>> To: Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment
>>> Subject: Re: [TenTec] Orion's break in
>>>
>>> There IS an EXT T/R Delay setting in the TX Menu but it has no effect
>>> on the keying relay clacking.
>>>
>>> Barry N1EU
>>>
>>> On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 7:56 AM, Rick - DJ0IP / NJ0IP <Rick@dj0ip.de> wrote:
>>>> Guys, I may be wrong, but I seem to remember that there were TWO
>>>> adjustments; one for the relay and one for the RX recovery. It's been
>>>> over 5 years since I have owned an Orion, but I'm pretty certain it was
>>>> that way. In any case, it would have to be one of the items on the TX
>>>> menu.
>>>>
>>>> 73
>>>> Rick
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: tentec-bounces@contesting.com [mailto:tentec-bounces@contesting.com]
>>>> On Behalf Of Barry N1EU
>>>> Sent: Monday, November 14, 2011 1:40 AM
>>>> To: Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment
>>>> Subject: Re: [TenTec] Orion's break in
>>>>
>>>> Correct Floyd, the CW delay makes the receiver audio quiet but does
>>>> nothing for the relay clacking in both the Orion and Orion II.
>>>>
>>>> 73, Barry N1EU
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 12:11 AM, Floyd Sense <floyd@k8ac.net> wrote:
>>>>> An interesting question. I wonder if the Orion and Orion 2 differ in
>>>>> this respect. On my Orion 2, I can use the CW delay to achieve
>>>>> semi-break-in, but I still hear the same relay clacking away. I
>>>>> expected to hear the relay only at the beginning and end of a
>>>>> transmission, but that's not the case - it still follows the keying,
>>>>> although the receiver is properly muted for the delay set with the CW
>>>>> delay function. So, maybe Toshimi's desire to eliminate the relay noise
>>>>> is not satisfied this way.
>>>>>
>>>>> 73, Floyd - K8AC
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 11/13/2011 5:56 PM, Barry N1EU wrote:
>>>>>> Menus - CW - CW QSK Delay
>>>>>>
>>>>>> start with 25% and increase/decrease as necessary
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 73,
>>>>>> Barry N1EU
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 10:39 PM, Rick - DJ0IP / NJ0IP<Rick@dj0ip.de>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> Hi Toshimi,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You can adjust the delay of the TR relay.
>>>>>>> If you select a delay, then it is effectively semi BK and no longer QSK.
>>>>>>> This was added to the rig after the initial release so it probably was
>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>> in the manual.
>>>>>>> Maybe someone who owns an Orion can jump in and tell you exactly how to
>>>>>>> adjust it. I have forgotten.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 73
>>>>>>> Rick, DJ0IP
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: tentec-bounces@contesting.com
>>>>>>> [mailto:tentec-bounces@contesting.com]
>>>>>>> On Behalf Of Toshimi Horie
>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2011 11:32 PM
>>>>>>> To: tentec@contesting.com
>>>>>>> Subject: [TenTec] Orion's break in
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi all. I am JE2UFF.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This month, I got the Orion of used one from US.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I just start operation with it. I can checked user manual, but not
>>>>>>> found.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So please tell me for everyone.
>>>>>>> The Orion has semi break in mode? I have other rig. That's japanese one.
>>>>>>> Normaly, japanese transceiver has two kind of break in operation mode.
>>>>>>> It's
>>>>>>> semi and full break in.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The Orion do the CW mode, each mores code can switch the relay. It is
>>>>>>> very
>>>>>>> noisy. Is this normal specs?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If it has semi break in mode then the relay can switch for start and
>>>>>>> finish
>>>>>>> of two times. Very quaiet.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks all
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