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Re: [TenTec] [english 100%] Re: Orion s-meter calibration

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Subject: Re: [TenTec] [english 100%] Re: Orion s-meter calibration
From: art davis <n4uc@hotmail.com>
Reply-to: Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment <tentec@contesting.com>
Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2012 22:57:27 -0600
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I am using 2.064x11. I think it only exists in later version 2.xxx's.
Time to upgrade?

> Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2012 20:19:47 -0600
> From: k9uw@wi-net.com
> To: tentec@contesting.com
> Subject: Re: [TenTec] [english 100%] Re: Orion s-meter calibration
> 
> Art, which version of the firmware are you using.  The "secret menu" 
> does not seem to exist in v 1.373b5
> 
> 73, de Mike, K9UW
> Amherst, WI
> 
> On 1/6/2012 6:01 PM, art davis wrote:
> > Hmmm...After re-flashing the firmware I find that the S-meter settings in 
> > the "secret menu" are unchanged from what I entered myself. If they are not 
> > loaded by the firmware where do they come from? Doesn't really matter 
> > though, the ones I entered work just fine.
> > Out of curiosity it would interesting to know what the settings are in 
> > other Orions that have the S-Meter menu available (MENUS..RX..15M button)
> > Beginning with S-zero my level settings are 0, 16, 27, 38, 46, 54, 62, 70, 
> > 78, 89, 99, 113, 130, 148, 171, and 198.
> > Any others for comparison?
> >
> > From: n4uc@hotmail.com
> > To: tentec@contesting.com
> > Subject: RE: [TenTec] [english 100%] Re: Orion s-meter calibration
> > Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2012 12:01:47 -0600
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I have sent a message to TT service asking that exact question. but haven't 
> > heard anything yet. But, I have been playing with it enough to know that 
> > there are several interrelated parameters involved.
> > I decided to start by setting the one parameter which I could verify 
> > externally, the TX POWER. Setting the ALC SET pot to make the TX put out 
> > 100W and then adjust the meter pot to make the meter read 100 was my first 
> > step. I figured that would at least set the meter pot in the ballpark for 
> > both TX and RX.
> > Next I went to the "secret" menu and set each level to the number of counts 
> > that made the meter read the corresponding signal strength. As it turns 
> > out, the S9+60 reading is achieved with a count setting of 198, not the max 
> > of 255 that I had expected. If I redjust the meter pot so that 255 counts 
> > reads S9+60, then the TX POWER reading is off.
> >
> > Then there is the matter of the SWR reading displayed on the Orion. I 
> > assume that this reading is a calculation made by the Orion based on 
> > signals calibrated by the PWR and  REF pots which also affect the reading 
> > displayed by the analog meter. I also assume that this calculated SWR is 
> > used to tell the auto tuner when it's done.
> >
> > I've done a lot of assuming in all of this but I feel there has to be a 
> > methodical procedure for calibration of all these pots and settings written 
> > down somewhere. But the fact that the pots are not labelled makes me think 
> > there is no reference to them in any service manual or other documentation 
> > that the user is intended to use. I'm pretty sure that mis-adjustment of 
> > any of the pots or settings will not result in damage to the radio. With 
> > the exception of the auto-tuner function, I feel that they just affect 
> > readings displayed on the front panel, but that is my opinion and worth 
> > what you paid for it!.
> >
> > One thing I haven't done yet is to reload the firmware and adjust 
> > everything starting with factory settings of S-meter levels.
> >
> > Sounds like a good project for after lunch!
> >
> >
> >> Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2012 15:56:54 +0000
> >> From: barry.n1eu@gmail.com
> >> To: tentec@contesting.com
> >> Subject: Re: [TenTec] [english 100%] Re: Orion s-meter calibration
> >>
> >> It sounds like a few folks have figured out the full s-meter
> >> calibration routine, which presumably involves adjusting the hardware
> >> pot and the hidden menu values.  But I've only seen bits and pieces of
> >> what's involved.
> >>
> >> Can someone who has been successful please post clear and
> >> comprehensive directions?
> >>
> >> Thanks&  73,
> >> Barry N1EU
> >>
> >> On Fri, Jan 6, 2012 at 3:52 PM, art davis<n4uc@hotmail.com>  wrote:
> >>> I assume O2 would be the same circuitry, but not sure. The pot that 
> >>> Holger describes is directly above the AUDIO button on the top of the 
> >>> front panel on the 565. It's wasn't labelled before, but it is now! And 
> >>> thanks to Holger I now have a fully functional S-meter calibrated to the 
> >>> correct values defined in the settings list.
> >>>
> >>> Thank you Holger!
> >>>
> >>> Art Davis
> >>> N4UC
> >>>
> >>>> To: tentec@contesting.com
> >>>> From: kc9cdt@aol.com
> >>>> Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2012 10:27:30 -0500
> >>>> Subject: Re: [TenTec] [english 100%] Re:  Orion s-meter calibration
> >>>>
> >>>> What about for Orion II??
> >>>> 73,
> >>>> Lee
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: Holger Göckritz<dj8hb@kcag.de>
> >>>> To: Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment<tentec@contesting.com>
> >>>> Sent: Fri, Jan 6, 2012 2:58 am
> >>>> Subject: Re: [TenTec] [english 100%] Re: Orion s-meter calibration
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Hello
> >>>> About S-Meter-Calibration for Orion 565.
> >>>> Use the Potmeter at the Frontplate up and near the S-Meter, make with a
> >>>> small screwdriver the adjustment  to get the maximum Number 255 with
> >>>> the
> >>>> MULTI- Knop for S9 plus 60dB.
> >>>> Be carefull about the Settings of S1 Value, S1 is the startingpoint for
> >>>> the
> >>>> S-meter.
> >>>> I thing it is for PREAMP- Button on ,but i have it done with PREAMP off
> >>>> and
> >>>> for adjusting the S-Meter with a generator use for example S9 the S8
> >>>> Value
> >>>> and so on one down!
> >>>> 73
> >>>> DJ8HB
> >>>> eof
> >>>>
> >>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>> From: "art davis"<n4uc@hotmail.com>
> >>>> To: "TenTec reflector"<tentec@contesting.com>
> >>>> Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2012 9:00 PM
> >>>> Subject: [english 100%] Re: [TenTec] Orion s-meter calibration
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> I assume that the default settings are defined in the firmware, but
> >>>> in my
> >>>>> case they do not correspond to the actual meter readings for each
> >>>> step. In
> >>>>> my case, they are much stingier. When I set each one to correspond to
> >>>> the
> >>>>> meter, then it way too generous. Also, the maximum count of 255 only
> >>>>> drives the meter to S9+30 or so. Same on TX, full power output
> >>>> deflects
> >>>>> the meter to only about 70, or about the same place as the max
> >>>> receive
> >>>>> level. Methinks there is something afoul in the meter circuitry.
> >>>>> Is there perhaps a hardware adjustment for calibrating the meter
> >>>> movement
> >>>>> somewhere?
> >>>>> Any suggestions?
> >>>>> N4UC
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 22:13:32 +0000
> >>>>>> From: barry.n1eu@gmail.com
> >>>>>> To: tentec@contesting.com
> >>>>>> Subject: Re: [TenTec] Orion s-meter calibration
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Tom, it came up a while back on the reflector.  My memory ain't what
> >>>>>> it used to be, although it probably never was what it used to be  ;-)
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> 73&  Happy New Year to all,
> >>>>>> Barry N1EU
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Sat, Dec 31, 2011 at 9:54 PM, Tom Berry<tberry1@triad.rr.com>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>> Thanks Barry.     OK on not recommending that anybody change them.
> >>>>>>> I'm curious as to how AL7CR knew that feature was there..
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> 73 Tom AA4VV
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On 12/31/2011 4:48 PM, Barry N1EU wrote:
> >>>>>>>> I've never seen a description of what those values mean.  I just
> >>>>>>>> played with them until the Orion s-meter responded similarly to a
> >>>>>>>> known good receiver's s-meter.  I can't really recommend that
> >>>> anybody
> >>>>>>>> else changes those values.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Barry N1EU
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On Sat, Dec 31, 2011 at 9:17 PM, Tom Berry<tberry1@triad.rr.com>
> >>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> Let me see if I understand this function.  I would select an S
> >>>> meter
> >>>>>>>>> value (say S9) then change the digital count so that the S meter
> >>>>>>>>> reads
> >>>>>>>>> S9.   Is that correct?
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> 73 Tom AA4VV
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> On 12/31/2011 3:48 PM, Barry N1EU wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> Thanks - it's uncharted territory in there but I think I
> >>>> managed to
> >>>>>>>>>> improve things.  I was careful to record the original values
> >>>> before
> >>>>>>>>>> mucking around.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> 73, Barry N1EU
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Dec 31, 2011 at 7:18 PM, AL7CR<al7cr@punakea.com>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> Go to the RX menu and press the 15m band select key.  This
> >>>> will
> >>>>>>>>>>> bring up
> >>>>>>>>>>> a screen that allows you set the S meter in digital counts.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> AL7CR
> >>>>>>>>>>>
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