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Re: [TenTec] OT: Openwire Balanced Antenna Tuners (QST Test)

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Subject: Re: [TenTec] OT: Openwire Balanced Antenna Tuners (QST Test)
From: "Rick - DJ0IP / NJ0IP" <Rick@DJ0IP.de>
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Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2013 22:36:18 +0100
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Steve, this thread seems to have taken two paths:  1) "balanced tuners"
(which is what it was initially about) and 2) "Toroids vs. air-core coils in
general."

Focusing on the original topic, balanced tuners, my preference is clearly
link-coupled air-core coils, as used in couplers such as the Johnson Viking
KW Matchbox, and the Annecke Symmetrical Koppler.

Are you saying you would prefer to have a matchbox for tuning openwire fed
antennas built with toroid coils instead of air-core coils?

The application here is a general matchbox, say from 80m thru 10m, and
should be able to match pretty much anything you throw at it.
If you choose a toroid, it's going to have to cover 3.5 to 30 MHz, unless
you have a separate set of coils for the high bands than for the low bands.

IMO, the Air-core coil is better in this specific application.
If there is a better way, I will be happy to learn about it.

For bandpass filters, where each band has its own coil(s), then I agree,
toroids are the way to go.  There you will use a different mix for different
bands.  

73
Rick, DJ0IP

 

-----Original Message-----
From: TenTec [mailto:tentec-bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Steve Hunt
Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2013 10:53 PM
To: Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment
Subject: Re: [TenTec] OT: Openwire Balanced Antenna Tuners (QST Test)

Pretty high Q values can be achieved if you choose the toroid mix and the
winding spec carefully.

For example, according to the Micrometals Q Curve Application Information
book a T200-6 core wound with 30 turns of #18 wire achieves a Q >300 across
the range 1.5MHz to 7.5MHz, and peaks at over 400. 
That's significantly better than a commercial air-cored roller-inductor I
measured at the same inductance value.

73,
Steve G3TXQ



On 18/02/2013 01:54, Bob McGraw - K4TAX wrote:
> I'll take an air-wound inductor over a toroidal inductor any day, 
> space available.  The typical loss in an air-wound inductor is IR loss 
> where a toroidal has IR loss plus eddy current loss.
>

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