As a pilot we at taught and trained and practiced to deal with emergencies.
So as a ham are we prepared to deal with an emergency, although not of life
or death magnitude, where a product does not perform as expected or needed?
It is largely related to ones expected level of performance.
You mean that you would take a new power supply, linear or switcher, to a
remote location and not know if it will perform as expected? Would you
take a new radio to a remote location and expect it to work? If that is
really your expected performance level, somehow you must be assured the
electric company won't drop the mains or the storm won't drop a tree across
the primary some 5 miles away. In this case, best you take a pair of fully
charged batteries and do check to see that they are fully charged and not
rely on the power company or the power supply of your choice.
Remember in today's world of manufacturing, new only guaranteed new......not
necessarily good. Today all companies work with a number defined as AQL.
That says they expect a certain number out of 1000 pieces to fail or be
inoperative out of the box. Just today our new $600 Maytag dishwasher, now
only 6 days, old has failed and must be replaced. I can also tell you of a
twin engine airplane that I was piloting with two new factory engines with
less than 20 hrs each where one locked up at MTO power during take-off. I
did maintain control of the aircraft and put it on the runway with no damage
to the aircraft or passengers on board. And yes I did a complete ground
check and proper engine run-up before take-off. The fault was diagnosed as
failure of lubrication on a main crankshaft bearing. {I won't comment on my
nerves or the condition of my pants after the event as the pucker factor
likely went off of the chart.}
If I required the radio and power supply to perform to 100% of expectations,
you bet your boots that I would assemble it as a system, operate it and give
the system a "burn in" of several hours to assure a high degree of
reliability. Should any part of the system fail or not perform to
expectations the it would be replaced.
To check a power supply, power the radio from a battery, then using a DC
blocking T connected to the receiver input and put the power supply under
load. Then tune the bands listening for noise. This test is very reliable,
very easy and you'll hear anything that comes out of the supply. Of course
don't be alarmed when you hear something, for likely it will be a good bit
below atmospheric noise at the quietest of locations.
Yes, I do think my airplane comparison is quite reasonable.
73
Bob, K4TAX
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ken Brown" <ken.d.brown@hawaiiantel.net>
To: "Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment" <tentec@contesting.com>
Sent: Monday, January 20, 2014 9:49 PM
Subject: Re: [TenTec] Power supply types
Hi Bob,
I don't find the airplane comparison to be reasonable. In my example the
penalty for choosing the wrong power supply from a very limited choice,
with little information about the performance of the available choices, is
a week at the cabin without being able to hear weak signals on your radio.
In your example the penalty of piloting an unsafe aircraft could be death.
I devised a hypothetical situation in which a person has limited time,
information and resources to select a power supply. I think anyone in this
situation who is experienced with HF radio and DC power supplies of both
the linear and switched mode varieties would chose the linear mode
supply. Even those of us who know that "properly engineered" switched mode
power supplies do exist, are aware that the chances of getting RF noise
from a switched mode power supply are much greater than from a linear mode
one.
DE N6KB
On 1/20/2014 5:21 PM, Bob McGraw - K4TAX wrote:
I would never pilot an airplane unless I performed a proper and complete
ground inspection while using a check-list.
I would never buy a power supply unless I perfromed a proper evaluation
but first knowing the needed power requirements.
73
Bob, K4TAX
----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Brown"
<ken.d.brown@hawaiiantel.net>
To: "Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment" <tentec@contesting.com>
Sent: Monday, January 20, 2014 8:19 PM
Subject: Re: [TenTec] Power supply types
They are both commonly available and they can both be used to power
typical HF transceivers. I think it is a reasonable comparison to make.
Here is another question: What kind of power supply did you first see
reviews in QST in which the subject of RF noise generation was even
mentioned?
Yes, switched mode power supplies CAN be made that do not generate (and
radiate) RF noise. And switched mode power supplies are generally more
energy efficient.:
How about we state the question this way:
Suppose you're on vacation and you brought your mobile rig along with
you, which runs on 12 VDC. You planned on only operating from your
vehicle, so you did not bring a power supply for use from 120 VAC. You
are offered an opportunity to stay for free in a nice vacation rental
cabin for a week. The cabin has all the conveniences, including grid
power. There are tall trees and you have a spool of skinny copper wire
and an antenna tuner in your vehicle. You think it will be a great
opportunity to get on the air from a remote location, with hopefully not
a lot of RF noise. Before you head up into the mountains to the go to
the cabin you see a store which sells two kinds of power supplies that
have the right voltage and current rating to power your rig. One of the
power supplies is very lightweight and the label say it is super
efficient and uses switching mode technology. The other power supply is
heavier, and you can see it has a laminated iron core transformer and a
big electrolytic capacitor in it. The prices of the two power supplies
are identical and they both appear to be well constructed. You cannot
find any other data about these power supplies. The drive to the cabin
is long, and you don't intend to drive back to town until you have
finished your stay at the cabin. If you buy both power supplies, you
won't have enough money left to buy the wrist rocket slingshot you
intend to use to send the skinny wire up into the tall trees.
Which power supply would you buy?
DE N6KB
On 1/20/2014 3:41 PM, Kim Elmore wrote:
This is an apples vs pecans question.
Better-stated questions:
What's the probability that a properly-designed and engineered linear
power supply will radiate RF noise of sufficient amplitude to be
bothersome?
What's the probability that a properly-designed and engineered
switching power supply will radiate RF noise of sufficient amplitude
to be bothersome?
Answer: unknown. likely small but equal.
Kim N5OP
On 1/20/2014 7:13 PM, Ken Brown wrote:
What is the probability that a transformer/rectifier/capacitor
filter/linear regulated power supply will generate and radiate
(through AC power input or DC power output leads) RF noise of
sufficient amplitude to be bothersome? That probability may not be
zero.
What is that probability that a switched mode regulated power supply
will be not "properly engineered" and generate and radiate RF noise of
sufficient amplitude to be bothersome?
How do those two probabilities compare?
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