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Re: [TenTec] New Radios in the Future

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Subject: Re: [TenTec] New Radios in the Future
From: k6jek <k6jek@comcast.net>
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Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2014 19:02:54 -0800
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We've been obsolete for a long time, radio operators that is. We just hate to 
admit it.

Jon

On Nov 4, 2014, at 6:39 PM, Clayton Brantley via TenTec wrote:

> My idea of a state-of-the-art is simply a radio with no knobs,buttons, just a 
> simple black box
> tied to my computer.  The radio stays on 24/7 along with the computer and all 
> I have to do is
> log at the log to see who(m) I have worked.  No need to tire yourself out on 
> one of those three
> day contest or miss a meal just to work a rare one!
> 
> That's what I call my dream radio.
> 
> Clayton N4EV
> 
> 
> 
> On Tuesday, November 4, 2014 5:04 PM, Rick - DJ0IP / NJ0IP <Rick@DJ0IP.de> 
> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Gary,
> 
> Tnx for the input.
> Seems strange to me that it would show every call sign.
> If you think about it, unless a station is calling CQ, after he sends his
> call sign and completes the QSO, he QSYs so he's no longer there anymore.
> THIS IS THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE STATIONS!  Such a message to the bandmap
> would not only be worthless, it would also clutter the bandmap with garbage.
> 
> So if it were really showing every call sign it decodes, on any given
> frequency, the call sign would be constantly changing.  But it doesn't.
> 
> For that reason I find it difficult to believe you are correct.
> BUT I DO NOT KNOW FOR SURE!
> 
> 
> 73 - Rick, DJ0IP
> (Nr. Frankfurt am Main)
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: TenTec [mailto:tentec-bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Gary - AB9M
> Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2014 8:56 PM
> To: Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment
> Subject: Re: [TenTec] New Radios in the Future
> 
> Rick, just a small correction on item --1-- 
> 
>>>> A band map does not include all call signs.  It can't.  It only 
>>>> includes the ones calling CQ.
> 
> # as I have N1MM configured with my local CWSkimmer as a telnet server
> 127.0.0.1:7300, the N1MM bandmap is filled by every CW station who IDs
> within the 20 kHz bandpass of the FLEX-1500 / VAC / CWSkimmer combination. 
> Included in the bandmap information Callsign, (color indicating mult value),
> time since last heard, and CW speed.
> 
> # Also, as I have DXlab Commander configured, I can use the OMNI-VII VFO or
> the computer mouse clicking on Commander Control panel or bandmap, CWSkimmer
> bandmap, N1MM bandmap, or the FLEX-1500 frequency display. I find using
> N1MM's bandmap is easiest and fastest for S&P. As I have said many times,
> CWSkimmer is NOT for the run frequency, but can really shine for SO2R, S&P,
> or multiplier stations (Multi - two, etc).
> 
> see Introduction to CW Skimmer By Pete Smith, N4ZR;
> http://www.dxatlas.com/CwSkimmer/Files/Skimmerintro.pdf
> 
> 73 & DX,
> 
> Gary - AB9M
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rick - DJ0IP / NJ0IP
> Sent: Monday, November 03, 2014 11:50 PM
> To: 'Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment'
> Subject: Re: [TenTec] New Radios in the Future
> 
> Answers below, shown as ">>>"
> 
> 73 - Rick, DJ0IP
> (Nr. Frankfurt am Main)
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: TenTec [mailto:tentec-bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf Of HamOperator
> Sent: Monday, November 03, 2014 11:58 PM
> To: Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment
> Subject: Re: [TenTec] New Radios in the Future
> 
> --1--   But ... what if the band map does not indicate a call sign for
> ALL the blips?  What if there are blips that are not labeled?
> 
>>>> Indeed you will have lots of blips unlabeled.  Many will be people
> calling a station that you cannot hear or whose blip is buried below those
> calling him.  THESE GUYS are not interested in working you, anyway.  They
> are after that juicy multiplier down in the mud.
> 
>>>> A band map does not include all call signs.  It can't.  It only 
>>>> includes
> the ones calling CQ.
> 
>>>> REMEMBER, we are talking about working a contest where the object is 
>>>> to
> try and maximize your score by working as many multipliers as you can as
> well as working as many stations as you can.  You'll find many of the blips
> on the high bands and most of the blips on the low bands are stations which
> you cannot work anyway.  But you have to sit on their frequency and listen
> to them until you find out who they are.
> 
>>>> EXAMPLE:  late in the contest you have worked nearly 1000 QSO.  If 
>>>> you
> see a strong blip on 40m, it's probably some guy you've already worked.
> With a bandmap you would know, but not with a bandscope.  If it is not
> someone you have already worked, then it's probably someone in your
> continent - say a Mexican station.  If he's in the US, "you" can't work him
> anyway. But you can work a Mexican station.  If you work him, you get 1
> point (because he's in the same continent) and multiplied by all of your
> multipliers, you score goes up by about 300 points.  OR, you are focused on
> the band scope, skip over non-multis and focus only on the multipliers that
> you have not yet worked (in a new country or zone or both).  Work one of
> these, since he's outside of your zone, he counts 3 points, and you score
> will increase by something like 1500 points (depends on several factors, but
> you see my point). That's because of the complex way of scoring.
> 
>>>> So the bandscope finds targets when we're shooting at anything that
> moves, the bandmap helps us work smarter.
> 
> 
> --2--  Besides, I think Larry N8LP (the panadapter guy) already provides
> just an overlay for the NaP3 program - it works with a skimmer or cluster or
> something -- see here:
> 
> http://www.telepostinc.com/NaP3.html
> 
>>>> WOW, NOW THAT IS NEW TO ME.  YES, BARRY'S DREAM HAS COME TRUE!
> THANKS FOR THE TIP, JAMES!!!      All the more reason to move into the next
> level of ham radio!
> I'm going to research that because I know nothin' about it.
> 
> 
> So I think the future is here already.   (By the way... I bought the LP-Pan2
> for one of my other radios...)    ;-)
> 
>>>> I don't even know what an LP-Pan is.  Maybe my XYL has one in her
> kitchen.  ;-)
> 
>>>> DJ0IP
> 
> --------------------------K8JHR ------------------------------
> 
> 
> On 11/3/2014 5:21 PM, Rick - DJ0IP / NJ0IP wrote:
>> " The mega benefit of the panadapter is in the future, once some 
>> genius creates a bandmap overlay so all the spotted callsigns appear 
>> adjacent to their waveform and you can instantly see the unspotted dx. "
>> 
>> 
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