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Re: [TenTec] Orion sub receiver getting no signals

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Subject: Re: [TenTec] Orion sub receiver getting no signals
From: Carl Moreschi <n4py3@earthlink.net>
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Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2015 10:28:47 -0400
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I would still bet the problem is NOT a component failure but just a bad connection on the cables. The rigs are computers now and cable connections when not gold plated are unreliable with age.

Carl Moreschi N4PY
58 Hogwood Rd
Louisburg, NC 27549
www.n4py.com

On 10/23/2015 9:44 AM, Gary J FollettDukes HiFi wrote:
I agree with anyone who says that Orion circuitry is sort of convoluted. It is.

The boards were meant to either last forever (in electronic terms) or to be 
replaced, which is why it is generally so easy to remove them.

There is no joy in trying to replace a 200 pins SMD square pack unless you have 
$50,000 in specialized pick and place SMD soldering equipment. I know it can be 
done without but think of the consequences if just ONE slolderpad pulls away 
during the process!

Gary



On Oct 23, 2015, at 7:22 AM, Barry N1EU<barry.n1eu@gmail.com>  wrote:

Ha, "simple" isn't the first word that comes to my mind when looking at the
Orion audio circuit schematics.  "Convoluted" would be my choice.  There
are four audio inputs (main rx, sub rx, mic, aux in) in digital form that
get routed to four audio outputs (tx audio, auxoutL, auxoutR, auxoutMain)
in analog form by two stereo CODEC chips. I just don't see a simple "audio
switch".  I'm not even convinced the schematics (81917_6, 81917_7) match
reality - the routing on the schematics looks nutso.

73, Barry N1EU

On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 3:40 PM, mcelmer1<mcelmer1@netecin.net>  wrote:

Years ago, I recall seeing a detailed block diagram of the Orion 1 - I am
not referring to the one in the manual.

There is a simple circuit called the "audio switch" which I suspect is the
culprit.

However, I can not find the diagram nor can I recall on which board this
circuit was located.

Gary, I will keep your mail/address just in case.

Mike
W8TRN
----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary J FollettDukes HiFi"<
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Subject: Re: [TenTec] Orion sub receiver getting no signals


I have a sub receiver available.

Gary


On Oct 21, 2015, at 2:55 PM, mcelmer1<mcelmer1@netecin.net>  wrote:

I chimed in on this one a few weeks ago.

Same problem since day one. I bought my used Orion 1 from Ten Tec but the
Sub receiver never worked. A couple of trips to the factory, returned to me
&  it worked for a couple of hours then died.

Resets did not fix the problem.  I may tear down the front panel clean
some pins and connectors on the board but doubt if that will fix the
problem.

Mike
W8TRN
----- Original Message ----- From: "denton sprague"<
denton@oregontrail.net>
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Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2015 12:01
Subject: Re: [TenTec] Orion sub receiver getting no signals


well…shoot..
that lasted all of 1/2 hour!
The past week or so, I has been inoperative on boot up…
and it boots up with swishing noise that repeats itself or it seems to
work but can’t her anything but background (processor) noise, or receive
sigs are way down in the background.
So for the time being it will be designated back up rig in the closet…and
will run my omni 7 for the duration.
I also have a chance ti purchase an unknown condition orion sub receiver
board but not too sure want to mess with that.
I seems to be something that is not letting the sub receiver board
connect to the rest of the system correctly..
I have not yet done much in the way of diagnostics…but will take some
time this fall to pull the sub receive board and see if anything amiss…cold
solder joints, etc, clean contacts and trace down cabling.

On Oct 12, 2015, at 9:07 AM, denton sprague<denton@oregontrail.net>
wrote:

a little followup..
sub rx was inoperable this am…booted up with sub rx on ant 1 and vfo b
enabled yesterday.

after letting the rig on for about 3 hours, I rebooted the rig with sub
rx off on the ant and vfo buttons.

after reboot, enabled sub rx on vfo b and ant 1 buttons. Sub rx now
works normally….

On Oct 11, 2015, at 11:27 AM, denton sprague<denton@oregontrail.net>
wrote:

thanks…apparently that was it om!!
On Oct 11, 2015, at 11:13 AM, Tim Wininger<ky5rtim@gmail.com>  wrote:

Need both SUB RX VFO and Ant1 SUB RX depressed.

That's how I use this sub rcvr hr. Hope it's just that.

GD Tim, AB4B

On Sun, Oct 11, 2015 at 12:01 PM, denton sprague<
denton@oregontrail.net>
wrote:


Hi all…my trusty Orion that came back from TT for processor board
replacement a few months ago seems to have no  receive signals…this
happened this am when booting up the rig.
I use ant 1 as main rx/tx as well as sub rx.
I can hear the sub noise come up when pressing the sub rx button, but
evidently getting no signals from the antenna.
I have only one hf antenna.
Did a master reset to no avail.
loose cable maybe??
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