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Re: Topband: Best small space antennas

To: "Guy Olinger K2AV" <olinger@bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Topband: Best small space antennas
From: "Bill Aycock" <billaycock@centurytel.net>
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 09:30:05 -0600
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Guy--
Thanks-- beautifully described. It is as I thought, but the diagram on the 
W0UCE page confused me, particularly with the connections to the 
Counterpoise.
Bill--W4BSG

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Guy Olinger K2AV" <olinger@bellsouth.net>
To: "Bill Aycock" <billaycock@centurytel.net>
Cc: <topband@contesting.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 1:56 AM
Subject: Re: Topband: Best small space antennas


> Bill,
>
> Instructions for creating a drawing of the basic configuration: 160 only,
> no tuning inductors or capacitors. Tuning after construction by adjusting
> the length of the top of the L.
>
> Start in the center of a blank piece of paper.  Draw a transformer with a
> completely separate primary and secondary.  Draw the core bars vertical so
> all of one winding is on the left and all of the other winding is on the
> right.
>
> On the left side of the tranformer connect the upper end of the winding to
> the inverted L.
>
> On the left side of the transformer connect the lower end of the winding 
> to
> the folded counterpoise.
>
> On the right side of the transformer connect the upper end of the winding
> to the feed coax center conductor.
>
> On the right side of the transformer connect the lower end of the winding
> to the feed coax shield.  Do not ground the coax shield until 30-50 feet
> away from the transformer.
>
> That's the wiring diagram.
>
> Length of the inverted L is adjusted to prune to resonance at your choice
> of center frequency.  This appears to be centering in the vicinity of
> 130-140 feet, **IF** you are using an isolation transformer built to our
> specs, but we will know more when there are 100 of these up in the air and
> reporting.
>
> The transformer is wound on an Amidon T300A-2 #2 material powdered iron
> toroid.  Twenty bifilar turns of #14 double polyimide insulated, sleeved
> with AWG12 teflon standard wall no shrink sleeving.  Requires 15 feet of
> wire and 15 feet of teflon sleeve, cut in half to make the two winding
> wires.
>
> 73, Guy.
>
> On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 11:33 PM, Bill Aycock 
> <billaycock@centurytel.net>wrote:
>
>> Guy--(and others who may contribute)
>> I have been following your posts, and have some questions, brought on by 
>> a
>> view at the W0UCE diagrams, at:
>> http://www.w0uce.net/**K2AVantennas.html<http://www.w0uce.net/K2AVantennas.html>
>> The top figure seems to match what I understood from your post, but the
>> figure that includes the Inv "L" confuses me, particularly with regard to
>> the connections. I need a more simplistic description, including the
>> connections to the transformer
>> Thanks- Bill--W4BSG
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Guy Olinger K2AV" <
>> olinger@bellsouth.net>
>> To: "Jim Miller Waco Texas WB5OXQ" <wb5oxq_1@grandecom.net>
>> Cc: <topband@contesting.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 7:57 PM
>>
>> Subject: Re: Topband: Best small space antennas
>>
>>
>>  Note: the following is not a theoretical or untested antenna.  There
>>> are working antennas in the field using the folded counterpoise
>>> described below, scoring well in contests**, in use up to a year and
>>> more.  Contest scores of the sort attained are not made using antennas
>>> with significant deficiencies or fundamental flaws.
>>>
>>> A miscellaneous end-fed inverted L or end-fed inverted U over an
>>> elevated 5/16 wave single wire folded counterpoise (FCP) will have
>>> good radiation from a small lot, with the ability to put out a strong
>>> signal not usually associated with small lots.  In the simple
>>> implementation of this antenna (160 only), the length of the L or U is
>>> adjusted for zero reactance, usually resulting in a 50-60 ohm feed Z
>>> at resonance.
>>>
>>> There are NO radials.  The main design point of the antenna is to
>>> minimize lossy currents induced in the dirt and confine TX signal
>>> current to the FCP and the radiating wire.  This is a real, and lossy
>>> issue for a few short or miscellaneous radials.  Enough of an issue to
>>> kill 15 dB.
>>>
>>> The radiating wire first goes up as much vertical as you can manage,
>>> then out as far as manageable, and then down if length is still needed
>>> to prune to resonance.  The main point is to pick a feed point on the
>>> property that has your best vertical rise and then get the rest of the
>>> length for resonance however you can. For some properties this has
>>> meant putting extra angles in the up+over+down radiator.  Some
>>> properties will not need the "down" part.
>>>
>>> The antenna uses a REQUIRED isolation transformer at the feed point
>>> because the counterpoise is NOT resonant, and the feed would really
>>> rather use the much lower Z but hugely lossy coax shield current as a
>>> counterpoise.  The folds in the FCP are designed to maximally reduce
>>> counterpoise fields at the ground, reducing lossy currents in the
>>> dirt.
>>>
>>> The isolation transformer's leftover inductive reactance, a
>>> disadvantage in many applications, in this case helps to tune out the
>>> capacitive reactance of the FCP and reduces the length of the
>>> radiating wire needed to achieve simple resonance for the antenna.
>>>
>>> The counterpoise extends plus and minus 33 feet from the feed point,
>>> 167 feet folded into 66 linear feet occupied on the property. The
>>> middle 20 feet of the 66 should be straight, but either end can be
>>> bent away from the straight line to accommodate the property.  Up 8
>>> feet or higher is recommended.  Lowering the counterpoise increases
>>> the coupling to dirt, increasing losses.
>>>
>>> The isolation transformer uses the same physical components as a
>>> balun, but the unlike the balun there is NO connection of any kind
>>> between the primary and secondary windings.  This is accomplished with
>>> twenty bifilar turns of double polyimide insulated #14 with teflon
>>> sleeving wound on an Amidon T300A-2  #2 material powdered iron toroid.
>>> One wire is the primary, and the other is the secondary.  The low MU
>>> powdered iron toroid was picked over time to avoid heating, still
>>> provide required coupling, with other choices sometimes failing in
>>> spectacular fashion.  We have no information of our currently-used
>>> winding method on the Amidon T300A-2 ever failing for any cause,
>>> though we would not expect it to survive a direct lightning strike.
>>>
>>> With the isolation transformer, the antenna and FCP is entirely above
>>> ground and not connected to anything else. We use a 5 megohm resistor,
>>> in parallel with a non-resistor lawn mower spark plug, from the FCP to
>>> ground as a static drain. The gap drains lightning induced voltage to
>>> protect the resistor, the resistor drains wind, snow, rain static.
>>> The resistor and gap protect the winding from a voltage puncture that
>>> will grow into a carbon track to ground.
>>>
>>> 73, Guy.
>>>
>>> **  As reported in Dec 2011 CQ, Jan 2011 CW160CW contest, USA low
>>> power unassisted, the 29 scores over 100K out of 335 scored logs in
>>> class:
>>>
>>> Station, state, score, QSO, ST+PROV, DX
>>>
>>> K9AY   WI  259,346 991 58 36
>>> W0UO   TX  250,716 882 58 44
>>> K1EP   MA  232,750 909 56 39
>>> K2AV   NC  223,908 907 57 37 << No radials, 5/16 FCP
>>> K8BL   OH  203,328 819 58 38
>>>
>>> KU1CW  KS  197,885 795 58 37
>>> N2WN   TN  191,090 640 55 42
>>> WB8JUI OH  190,372 852 58 38
>>> N7IR   AZ  183,855 856 58 27
>>> W2TZ   NY  178,633 723 56 35
>>>
>>>
>>> NA8V   MI  177,030 793 59 31
>>> W4AA   FL  173,619 494 56 45
>>> K1HTV  VA  172,956 733 55 32
>>> W1WBB  RI  161,550 654 55 35
>>> KU8E   GA  152,613 615 58 35
>>>
>>> W7RH   AZ  135,369 500 55 34
>>> K4WI   AL  128,520 509 55 30
>>> N9NCK  WI  126,162 516 55 31
>>> KV8Q   OH  125,741 674 57 20
>>> N9AUG  OH  125,330 608 55 28
>>>
>>>
>>> W2TX   FL  121,800 504 52 35
>>> K9QVB  IL  120,120 641 56 21
>>> WW3S   PA  119,848 706 55 16
>>> K2UF   NY  119,392 541 53 29
>>> K0PK   MN  118,400 678 58 16
>>>
>>> WF4U   UT  114,239 664 56 15
>>> W1BYH  MA  106,444 404 54 35
>>> W5WMU  LA  106,020 574 54 22
>>> N4JF   AL  101,920 493 54 26
>>>
>>> ** 3830 claimed scores listing of Dec 2011 ARRL 160 contest, North
>>> America low power unassisted, top 20 of 119 listed as of this writing:
>>>
>>> Station, state, score, QSO, ST/PROV, DX
>>> 2011 ARRL 160 - 3830 Claimed Scores 06Dec2011
>>>
>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~**~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>> Call               QSOs   Sec Cntry   hr      Score Club
>>> NA Single Op LP
>>> K8FH               920    74    18    27    175,076 Medina 2 Meter Group
>>> NE9U               978    75    14          172,927 MWA
>>> K4FT               976    75     9    28    166,236 KCG
>>> WB8JUI             940    71     9 21.32    152,560
>>> K0TI               920    76     5    21    150,255 MWA
>>> K0DI               875    75     8    28    146,495 Lincoln ARC
>>> K2AV               788    65     9  21.5    119,066 PVRC    << No
>>> radials, 5/16 FCP
>>> W0DLE              725    74     3    21    112,343 Grand Mesa
>>> K9MMS              653    74    10    16    112,224 SMC
>>> K0PK               657    72     6    19    104,130 MWA
>>>
>>> K3PA               618    74     7          101,817 Kansas City DX Club
>>> WA1FCN             645    68     7           99,864 ACG
>>> K2ZR               695    64     4  20.0     90,112 Western NY DX Associ
>>> K0AD               584    75     6    10     88,500 MWA
>>> W0UO               519    71     9    14     85,680 NTCC
>>> K0CN               478    73    11           83,076 MWA
>>> N1IX               516    60    10    13     78,540 YCCC
>>> VE3OSZ             442    68    15           77,854 CCO
>>> W9ZRX              492    69     8  20.5     77,616 SMC
>>> W7RH               437    72     8           76,869 Arizona Outlaws Cont
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 8:18 PM, Jim Miller Waco Texas WB5OXQ
>>> <wb5oxq_1@grandecom.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> With limited space what is the best antenna for 160? The only room
>>>> available is a 130X50' area. Ground radials will be nearly impossable 
>>>> to
>>>> put in large enough to be of much value. 1/4 wave antenna tried, very
>>>> narrowband and interfeared with every receiving device in a block. I 
>>>> may
>>>> just be out of luck. wb5oxq
>>>> ______________________________**_________________
>>>> UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK
>>>>
>>> ______________________________**_________________
>>> UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK
>>>
>>>
>>
> 

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