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Re: Topband: KD9SV-OK1RR relays ???

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Subject: Re: Topband: KD9SV-OK1RR relays ???
From: "Tom W8JI" <w8ji@w8ji.com>
Reply-to: Tom W8JI <w8ji@w8ji.com>
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2015 18:14:04 -0400
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 Your FT-747 only has one antenna input. It does not have a second
receiver. It doesn't even have a receive-only antenna input. You cannot
transmit and receive at same time. Why do you need a "front end saver"?

It needs a preamp saver or a receiver antenna saver, not a front end saver.

"Any old relay" will not work.

Here is what the sequence is:

1.) The radio antenna port is connected through a small relay to the receive preamp output, or to the receive antenna

2.) The key is closed

3.) At time X, after the key is closed, something tells the receiver relay to release

4.) At the same time as the key is pressed, something tells the transmitter to transmit. Let's call this delay time Y.

Now this is where the problem is. Many radios, especially the less expensive radios with a single antenna, have a Y time as short as X time. Some have X a little longer than Y, some have Y a little longer than X. There is no guarantee without looking at the radio on ALL modes if X time is shorter than X.

Almost all radios are not 10mS, the relay time you suggested as a limit. Almost all radios are shorter than that, and some actually transmit while the external relay line is held low.

There is an additional problem in a few radios. There are a few radios that tell the relay control line to release while they are still transmitting. At the end of a transmission, when you stop transmitting, a few radios will actually turn the external circuits off **before** they stop putting out RF power. I actually had to add a RF interlock in T-R relays for amplifiers just for those radios.

Any relay used for this application should be as fast as possible. It should NOT have a diode across the coil, because that slows the release time down considerably. I would say the safe minimum speed for most radios would be about a 5 mS relay transfer, including bounce. A few radios will be worse than that, and have almost no delay. They would require a very fast relay, or a sequencing system.

Some radios are designed so poorly they tell the external things to transfer while RF is present. Those radios cannot be fixed without external interlock systems.

By the way, if this does not damage the RX system, it will cause contact spark clicks. It will also fold some radios back into SWR protect because the relay transfers with TX RF applied.

The crummy interface timing in radios has been a nightmare ever since the first transceiver came out, and continues to be a problem today.

73 Tom
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