you know,,,at 74 if I need something that bad,,, I need to re-evaluate 
my priorities,,,   what ever I work will be from my home , or my farm, 
32 miles away  I am very fortunate to have both and a basic station   
station at both,, in person
on site
 ,,, I understand folks in apartments etc,,, but for those folk who , in 
my opinion work  stuff via  what ever cost and remote coast to coast   
is just plain wrong-- arrl need to look at the entire ethics again. I 
know = dollars
for years I was a very hard hunter of game,,, but I never took any thing 
that would not go to some one  to eat.. In the total scheme of things  
trophies and certificates are just that ,,, nothing more , nothing less
just saying
 as for me , Ill work what I can from home and at my farm,,, in person, 
on site,, -- again I am not  slamming  anyone from an apartment or place 
that they  can not put up an antenna, who I do slam is the folks that 
will work em at any cost and who  already have substantial stations
dx is
what I have written I have written
done now   73 john w8wej
On 1/14/2016 9:28 PM, Dave Blaschke, w5un wrote:
 Look at the situation; There are just a few stateside RHR for rent 
locations. As more and more "hams" begin to use these sites to work 
DXpeditions, the queue length to access one of these sites will 
become  hopeless long. JUST A THOUGHT.
Dave, W5UN
On 1/14/2016 6:33 PM, Herbert Schoenbohm wrote:
 I have lost my amateur station in three major hurricanes over the 
years here, everything including radios (from water) and antennas. I 
have also rebuilt them a four different locations until I finally 
scrapped enough money together and bought a home next to a large salt 
pond. I have full remote station here but it only functions for 
contest operated by a cliff dweller in NYC who cares not for DXCC 
credit.  The problem with the US RHR deals is that it completely 
skews the process as far as the propagation differences across the 
fruited plan.  I would love to add to my DXCC totals as I close into 
the 300 mark.  USA stations can do this but is it ethical.  It sure 
makes money for a pay to play amateur radio scheme. But is it the way 
you want low band Dx-ing to become?  I hope not as you only will need 
a computer and an internet connection and everything else that used 
to a worthwhile effort is trashed.
 I remember a former 160 meter DX pioneer, Charles O'Brien who 
originally from Illinois used a 1/4 wave bent Marconi and 25 watts to 
work a G station.  This is what we are or what we used to be. RHR I 
am afraid is the end of an era were perseverance and not vast amounts 
of  QRO muscle and money decided who was on top. That is a shame and 
perhaps to some a disgrace as it really chances everything including 
the respect we have for those who did so much with so little.`
Herb Schoenbohm, KV4FZ
On 1/14/2016 12:43 AM, Dave Blaschke, w5un wrote:
 
I will say this:
 operating a remote station (for money) owned and managed by someone 
else will never be as satisfying as operating your own station, 
built by your hands. But than again, if you have no station, and are 
unable to build one up, what's your choice? I built (and rebuilt) a 
beautiful station and antenna system here over the past fifteen 
years, only to see much of it destroyed by storms in recent years. 
Now I am unable to rebuild anymore.
Dave, W5UN
On 1/14/2016 2:26 AM, Carl Luetzelschwab wrote:
 Ed N1UR said "It seems non-trivial to me as to how to maintain 
these remote
stations."
 My guess is it was someone using the Portland, OR station in the 
Remote Ham
Radio network (http://www.remotehamradio.com/the-stations/). The 
stations
are available for a price.
 I don't know whose actual station that is - but I'm sure it is 
someone's
home station (just like all the others in the network).
Carl K9LA
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