Herb, when that happens, ham radio, as we know it, will be over.
  (aren't we already used to this sort of thing happening in our time 
and in our country?)
Dave, W5UN
On 1/14/2016 9:52 PM, Herbert Schoenbohm wrote:
 Dave, What will happen then is that the RHR gurus will just jack up 
the rates to take the hams with deepest pockets. Additionally the laws 
of supply will kick in and more RHR station and others will invest in 
this scheme to put more stations on the air.  As this progresses the 
value of the entire DXCC program will diminish. There must be some 
brakes put on this before is is to late.  The other night I was 
thrilled to have an Italian station calling me on 160 only to learn 
later he was actually on the mainland via an RHR station.  Is this the 
way amateur radio is supposed to trend?
Herb Schoenbohm, KV4FZ
On 1/14/2016 5:28 PM, Dave Blaschke, w5un wrote:
 Look at the situation; There are just a few stateside RHR for rent 
locations. As more and more "hams" begin to use these sites to work 
DXpeditions, the queue length to access one of these sites will 
become  hopeless long. JUST A THOUGHT.
Dave, W5UN
On 1/14/2016 6:33 PM, Herbert Schoenbohm wrote:
 I have lost my amateur station in three major hurricanes over the 
years here, everything including radios (from water) and antennas. I 
have also rebuilt them a four different locations until I finally 
scrapped enough money together and bought a home next to a large 
salt pond. I have full remote station here but it only functions for 
contest operated by a cliff dweller in NYC who cares not for DXCC 
credit.  The problem with the US RHR deals is that it completely 
skews the process as far as the propagation differences across the 
fruited plan.  I would love to add to my DXCC totals as I close into 
the 300 mark.  USA stations can do this but is it ethical.  It sure 
makes money for a pay to play amateur radio scheme. But is it the 
way you want low band Dx-ing to become?  I hope not as you only will 
need a computer and an internet connection and everything else that 
used to a worthwhile effort is trashed.
 I remember a former 160 meter DX pioneer, Charles O'Brien who 
originally from Illinois used a 1/4 wave bent Marconi and 25 watts 
to work a G station.  This is what we are or what we used to be. RHR 
I am afraid is the end of an era were perseverance and not vast 
amounts of  QRO muscle and money decided who was on top. That is a 
shame and perhaps to some a disgrace as it really chances everything 
including the respect we have for those who did so much with so 
little.`
Herb Schoenbohm, KV4FZ
On 1/14/2016 12:43 AM, Dave Blaschke, w5un wrote:
 
I will say this:
 operating a remote station (for money) owned and managed by someone 
else will never be as satisfying as operating your own station, 
built by your hands. But than again, if you have no station, and 
are unable to build one up, what's your choice? I built (and 
rebuilt) a beautiful station and antenna system here over the past 
fifteen years, only to see much of it destroyed by storms in recent 
years. Now I am unable to rebuild anymore.
Dave, W5UN
On 1/14/2016 2:26 AM, Carl Luetzelschwab wrote:
 Ed N1UR said "It seems non-trivial to me as to how to maintain 
these remote
stations."
 My guess is it was someone using the Portland, OR station in the 
Remote Ham
Radio network (http://www.remotehamradio.com/the-stations/). The 
stations
are available for a price.
 I don't know whose actual station that is - but I'm sure it is 
someone's
home station (just like all the others in the network).
Carl K9LA
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