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Re: [TowerTalk] Wire Size for 800 meter longwire

To: K4SAV <RadioIR@charter.net>
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Wire Size for 800 meter longwire
From: Joe Giacobello <k2xx@swva.net>
Reply-to: k2xx@swva.net
Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 08:59:07 -0400
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Jerry, I have not followed this thread very closely, but is the 
reduction in gain with galvanized from resistive losses?

73, Joe

K4SAV wrote:

>An update on the 800 meter long wire performance.
>
>Using 17 ga aluminum wire vs 0.5 inch galvanized cable I had first 
>assumed, decreases the gain by about 3.7 dB.
>
>The antenna pattern is very sensitive to the exact overall length. 
>Looking at it another way, it is sensitive to frequency change.  A 
>frequency change of 50 KHz changes what used to be a peak lobe into a 
>null (looking mostly at the pattern off the end of the wire).  For 
>example, off the end of the wire, at 1.8 Mhz and an elevation angle of 
>10 degrees the gain may be -1 dB.  Move to 1.85 MHz and the gain is -13 
>dB, same angle.
>
>The method of feeding the wire also effects the pattern.  I assumed end 
>fed with the shield dropping straight down into the salt water.  This 
>seems to produce the best pattern I could find.
>
>Implementing a vee beam with an 80 degree included angle seems to reduce 
>the pattern into something that is very scrambled and with lower gain.
>
>I am normally unsure about simulator performance when wires are close to 
>the ground, but in this case since this is an almost perfect ground, 
>this seems to be within the guideline of the simulator.  The simulator 
>shows very little difference between using perfect ground and salt water 
>except between 0 and 3 degrees elevation.
>
>Jerry, K4SAV
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