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Re: [TowerTalk] AB Chance anchor installation... How!?!

To: Chet Moore <ChetMoore@cox.net>, towertalk@contesting.com
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] AB Chance anchor installation... How!?!
From: R Atkins <rusty_atkins@yahoo.com>
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 07:02:14 -0700 (PDT)
List-post: <mailto:towertalk@contesting.com>
I'm in North Carolina... very dense, hard clay (the only time I miss Michigan 
is when I'm digging!).

I own a power auger. Yes, they will twist your arms off. It's "interesting" 
when they grab a root, twist your arms and you are standing there trying to 
figure out how to release it or let off the throttle without knocking yourself 
out.

The problem is.. this is a densely wooded area. No machinery can get back 
there. If it was on flat clear land, I'd pay somebody with a big machine to 
drill them in and deal with the lawn later.

If I remember the specs right, these things take 4400lbs-ft of torque (avg 
soil) to screw in. My one-man Earthquake power auger (bought from Home Depot or 
Lowes) develops about 60. It's at a slight disadvantage.

The one on wheels... how large is it and how difficult would be it be manuever 
on sloped land? Also, does it handle angles well? Because of the slope of the 
land, on the down-side of the hill, the angle is probably closer to 30 degrees 
than the normal 40-45 degrees.

And... where do I get a solid steel bar in an 8-10 foot length? The closest 
thing to it that I've found is the steel dowel rods at our local Ace Hardware 
(one of the old-style ones that has nearly everything).

Thanks!
Rusty
K0FE

----- Original Message ----
From: Chet Moore <ChetMoore@cox.net>
To: R Atkins <rusty_atkins@yahoo.com>; towertalk@contesting.com
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2007 9:27:23 AM
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] AB Chance anchor installation... How!?!

Rusty,

Don't see a ham call listed or your location so I have no idea what your 
soil conditions might be.   N4BAA and I dug 1 tower hole here and 2 at his 
place. in November.  We rented an auger on a small trailer.  Its pretty much 
like a mobile drill press.  The trailer  which most people use for digging 
fence post holes comes with 4 sizes of auger.  The augers attach to a kelly 
bar.  We took a 2 foot piece of pipe, drilled holes in each end, one hole to 
pin it to the KELLY BAR and one to fit thru the holes on the end of the 
anchors.   The Auger spins about 4 times, "bites" and the anchor is in the 
ground in about 4 seconds. It took us longer to push the trailer into the 
back yard by hand than it did to drive all 3 anchors.   For the hole itself, 
We dug 4 holes with the auger and just shoveled out the the dirt between the 
4 holes. We got the unit at  Home Depot.  in our area (chesapeake/Va Beach) 
there are at least 7 Home Depot stores.  Only two of them have a tool rental 
center, so you may have to call around.  It was $88 for a full day, $50 for 
a 1/2 day and around$7 for insurance.   They also rent 1 and 2 man augers 
(not mounted on a trailer)  the 2 man augers do not have the kelly bar 
fitting.

Some of the other rental places had larger units that would have done the 
job.  The bigger augers would have required the rental of a separate trailer 
to get the unit home.  the larger ones would not have fit through the gate 
going to the back yard.  The one we had  was on wheels about the size of 
those seen on a tent trailer and one person could maneuver it on level 
ground without much effort.  I have pictures of it somewhere.

If you have never used a power auger before........I hadn't............it 
spins a few times and I thought "nothing was happening"  then I was sort of 
looking
down an pushing a bit harder to see why "nothing"was happening and then it 
bit, just about pulling both arms out their sockets so hold on tight.

press on regardless

73

Chet N4FX
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "R Atkins" <rusty_atkins@yahoo.com>
To: <towertalk@contesting.com>
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2007 8:05 AM
Subject: [TowerTalk] AB Chance anchor installation... How!?!


> First off, let me thank all of you for the responses these past few days 
> about all facets of tower installation as well as a few bits and pieces 
> I've needed to get the job done. Its amazing how responsive and helpful 
> this list/"reflector" is. I've been so busy installing the tower that I 
> haven't had time to touch the computer, but all your help is VERY much 
> appreciated.
>
>
> Now,.. for the question.
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> How in the world do you install those 8" diameter (model 816?) screw-in 
> ground anchors?!?!?!
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> We've bent a 6' long pipe  and a 8' long pipe so badly that we could 
> hardly remove them... and these anchors are only halfway in.
>
> There are limitations to what we can because of a heavily tree lot that we 
> want to keep that way (so... we can't get a tractor in there).
>
> How do you get these things screwed all the way into the ground?
>
> Thanks!
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