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Re: [TowerTalk] Wired Anemometer for Tower?

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Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Wired Anemometer for Tower?
From: David Robbins <k1ttt@verizon.net>
Reply-to: k1ttt@arrl.net
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2014 07:11:08 -0500 (CDT)
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and accuracy compared to what, and over what period??  wind speed is HIGHLY 
variable over small distances and elevation change.  There are specifications 
for measuring wind that require so much open area, a specific height above 
terrain(much lower than you would think), distance from buildings, etc... 
basically measuring wind speed on a tower is only interesting for you and your 
antennas, no one else would have any use for it.  take a look at my station's 
quality control charts... 
http://weather.gladstonefamily.net/qchart/AR841?date=20140428  you will see 
that normally things like temperature and barometric pressure track the 
expected values pretty well... but my wind speed, when I just looked at 
yesterday's values, were off by a factor of about 10 (my reading is higher!) 
from the expected values.  this is because my anemometer is 50' up and not far 
enough from the house, and my house is almost 1000' above the nearest airports 
or nws offices.  and yet when measuring gusts usi
 ng skywarn tree motion estimates or a handheld pith ball pressure gauge it 
usually reads low by a factor of 2 (a gust estimated at 50-60mph only reads 
25-30mph on the anemometer).  part of that is the response time, but most is 
probably the averaging over 3 to 5 seconds that I think the davis uses.  I 
tried at one time to look up the specs for reading gusts, it gets very 
confusing even on the noaa web site, there are at least 3 different specs (that 
I found) for different instruments that use 3, 5, or 8 second gust averaging.  
If you really want an eye opener about wind and height above ground come up my 
180' tower some day, it can be dead calm on the ground, and even at the 50' 
elevation of the anemometer, but still have a nice 5-10mph breeze at the top... 
nice for me, but tough for the ground crew fighting black flies, mosquitoes, 
and deer flies.


Apr 30, 2014 07:40:14 AM, K8RI-on-TowerTalk@tm.net wrote:

On 4/29/2014 9:59 PM, Jim Lux wrote:
> On 4/29/14, 5:08 PM, Al Kozakiewicz wrote:
>> I'm not going to belabor the point. Wind speed is derived by 
>> measuring the change in rotational position divided by time. The 
>> shorter the sampling interval (time), the lower the measurement 
>> accuracy. There is no reason for this to controversial.
>>

Just count the pulses, and divide by time. Plastic anometers have very 
little rotational mass.

With out getting fancy you can easily get better than 1 mph accuracy.

To me, more than every three seconds is wasted energy/effort/money/time 
as is all the effort expended to measure errors that are meaningless 
unless you want lab accuracy for a study. Then calibration becomes a 
major portion of the effort. Then you need standards traceable to the 
NBS and someone certified to do it. Been there and done that, but not 
with anemometers.

73

Roger (K8RI)




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