Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm...I wonder if like our federal public officials can be
voted in and impeached if our representatives in the league can be as
well...impeached that is?!?
Jim, N2YEV
FN34gs, Plattsburgh, NY
Six Club #1663, SMIRK #6480
jhayes9424@charter.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Geiger" <johngeig@yahoo.com>
To: "James Hayes" <jhayes9424@charter.net>; <vhfcontesting@contesting.com>
Sent: Monday, July 19, 2004 2:32 PM
Subject: Re: [VHFcontesting] ARRL kills VHF, Should we let them?
> Hi Jim,
>
> I came up with this idea since they said the contest
> changes were deemed by a decline in log submissions.
> It seems like they just look at the total number of
> logs, and maybe a big decline following the rule
> changes might get their attention. Then again, it
> might not.
>
> I am not sure that calling them or writing letter will
> do much good. It hasn't seemed to before. I spoke
> with my section manager before they removed the
> contest line scores from QST and expressed my
> displeasure. He told me it was already a done deal.
> Lots of good expressing my views did. When our
> current section manager was campaigning he came to our
> local club. I asked him exactly how he was going to
> serve as a link between the individual in his section
> and the ARRL. He couldn't answer me but did string
> together some response which amounted to "I won't".
> After he was elected, I expressed my view about the CW
> requirement removal when he came to visit our club
> again. He let me know that he shared a different view
> than I did. I am sure my view never made it beyond
> him.
>
> The other way to get the ARRLs attention is to cancel
> your membership. I could live without QST, but the
> outgoing QSL bureau sure is nice, and I do like
> chasing DXCC and VUCC endorsements.
>
> 73s John NE0P
>
>
> --- James Hayes <jhayes9424@charter.net> wrote:
> > John,
> > Not a bad idea, but if they receive no logs then it
> > will reinfore their
> > efforts to get rid of the contesting I should think.
> > (Thinking like a
> > politician, ahem.) We have to use their game plans
> > to our benefit if we are
> > to succeed at keeping the contesting. There is
> > another way using that
> > strategy would work though, and maybe get our line
> > scores back into the QST
> > magazine. Retain our ARRL membership, WITHOUT their
> > magazine. I mean most of
> > us are computer savy now 'a days, and we could find
> > all kinds of
> > advertisments and websites to lure us with new
> > products, so why do we need
> > another 'ad' magazine to do that for us? I don't
> > know about most people but
> > the website line scores are crap to say the least,
> > and the only good part I
> > see is the soapbox where we can truly be seen and
> > heard for our efforts.
> >
> > Jim, N2YEV
> > FN34gs, Plattsburgh, NY
> > Six Club #1663, SMIRK #6480
> > jhayes9424@charter.net
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "John Geiger" <johngeig@yahoo.com>
> > To: "James Hayes" <jhayes9424@charter.net>;
> > <vhfcontesting@contesting.com>
> > Sent: Monday, July 19, 2004 1:58 PM
> > Subject: Re: [VHFcontesting] ARRL kills VHF, Should
> > we let them?
> >
> >
> > > SHould they go through and pass these stupid
> > changes,
> > > I will participate in the June 2005 VHF contest,
> > but
> > > will not submit a log, and will write the ARRL and
> > > state why I am not submitting a log. I will also
> > urge
> > > all other hams to do the same. Maybe if the
> > number of
> > > logs submitted really declines they will rethink
> > these
> > > assine changes.
> > >
> > > 73s John NE0P
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- James Hayes <jhayes9424@charter.net> wrote:
> > > > QUESTION:
> > > > Regarding this recent thread...why should we let
> > > > them? Aren't there are
> > > > other groups out there that could support our
> > VHF
> > > > contesting efforts? Why
> > > > not try and solicit them?
> > > > Other than that why not email everyone we know
> > who
> > > > does the VHF contesting
> > > > and have them email the h#$@ our of the ARRL
> > until
> > > > the take notice that we
> > > > don't want our fun to go away.
> > > > Ya know...politics really suck the life out of
> > all
> > > > of us, but it shouldn't
> > > > be a part of amateur radio in any form except to
> > > > work as a liason between us
> > > > and the FCC. I get so tired of everyone whining
> > > > about this cause and that
> > > > cause using 'political correctness' as an excuse
> > to
> > > > get stupid bills passed
> > > > that won't do anyone any good...like Megan's
> > Law, I
> > > > can't see where one
> > > > person has been saved or even warned about those
> > > > predators.
> > > > I guess what I'm trying to say is we all have to
> > > > make our voices heard, as
> > > > they are ELECTED OFFICIALS aren't they? And as
> > > > elected officials they are
> > > > supposed to do as we recommend. Because without
> > US
> > > > there IS no Amateur
> > > > Radio. Lets stay a band of brothers and sisters,
> > > > "...united we stand divided
> > > > we fall."
> > > > Anyway, enough said for this round...what are
> > your
> > > > views, comments
> > > > questions, flames etc???
> > > >
> > > > Jim, N2YEV
> > > > FN34gs, Plattsburgh, NY
> > > > Six Club #1663, SMIRK #6480
> > > > jhayes9424@charter.net
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "John Geiger" <johngeig@yahoo.com>
> > > > To: "George Fremin III" <geoiii@kkn.net>;
> > > > <vhfcontesting@contesting.com>
> > > > Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2004 9:23 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: [VHFcontesting] ARRL kills VHF,
> > Should
> > > > we let them?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Oh they will definitely save 2 meter FM and
> > > > packet.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- George Fremin III <geoiii@kkn.net> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > IF the ARRL decides to end VHF contesting
> > as
> > > > we
> > > > > > know it after this
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I am pretty sure the ARRL will be selling
> > off
> > > > all of
> > > > > > our bands (with
> > > > > > the exception of 160 meters) and taking the
> > > > proceeds
> > > > > > and have a keg
> > > > > > party at ARRL HQ where they will burn the
> > Wouff
> > > > Hong
> > > > > > as part of a
> > > > > > satanic ritual.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > George Fremin III - K5TR
> > > > > > geoiii@kkn.net
> > > > > > http://www.kkn.net/~k5tr
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
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