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Re: [VHFcontesting] VHF Contesting: Fixing the Grid Circling

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Subject: Re: [VHFcontesting] VHF Contesting: Fixing the Grid Circling
From: Paul Kiesel <k7cw@yahoo.com>
Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 18:08:27 -0700 (PDT)
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Sorry, but I don't see the grid circlers as being bad
guys. To keep them and "regular" rovers happy, you
create a set of rules that allows and recognizes both.

Paul, K7CW

--- Tree <tree@kkn.net> wrote:

> > Well, if enough refuse to submit logs or even
> participate in contests 
> > that accept such "grid circling" behaviour, the
> rules will change.  I'd 
> > hate to see it come to that, but it's always an
> option.  Sometimes to 
> > have to vote with your feet.  People tend to
> listen when the silence 
> > becomes deafening.
> 
> Hopefully, it won't come to that.
> 
> After doing more thinking about this - I think I can
> articulate what it is
> about grid circling that really makes it
> incompatible with the rest of the
> contest.  
> 
> For the rest of us, we turn on our radios and work
> the stations that we 
> hear on the band.  If you get up on a mountain top,
> you probably hear 
> more stations than you did at home.  If you get a
> good e-skip opening, 
> then you get to put more guys in the log.  
> 
> The opportunities are basically the same for anyone
> else in your area.
> If they turn on their radio, they would essentially
> hear the same things
> you do.  
> 
> I admit there are geographical differences - you
> will work more guys on
> two meters from FN32 than you will from DN32...  but
> you are operating 
> the same contest.
> 
> In each case, as each of us get on - we help add to
> the activity of the 
> contest.  If I choose to be active, maybe 80 guys
> will have one more
> QSO in their log in my local area as a result.  My
> activity does help 
> everyone else out - and I have a small impact to the
> general activity 
> level.
> 
> A true rover can give perhaps 5 or 10 QSOs to the
> locals - which is 
> a pretty nice impact.  Having two or three rovers
> around in your area
> can have a nice impact to your score - especially on
> the more difficult
> bands where you wouldn't have a chance to working
> anyone.
> 
> In the case of a pack of circling rovers, they are
> creating a totally 
> artifical situation where most, if not all, of the
> activity is generated
> by their partners.  Take away the QSOs made by their
> partners and you 
> have a totally insignificant rover score.  They are
> not significantly
> increasing the overall activity level of the contest
> (since they tend
> to pick fairly unpopulated places to do their
> roving).  
> 
> Their score isn't limited by the same issues a
> "normal" rover would 
> have to deal with - like being able to get a signal
> into a population 
> area - or making sure you are awake when that e-skip
> opening occurs.
> 
> They have worked out a schedule and "dance" to
> maximize the number of
> grid circles they can work - and to optimize the
> QSOs with their 
> partners.  It is like having schedules all setup for
> you before the 
> contest - and being 100 percent assured that
> conditions will support
> the QSO.  
> 
> Sure - it requires a lot of equipment to do this -
> not an easy thing 
> to do.  A good operator will also help - as you can
> make the QSOs 
> quicker.  However, I don't think this is a healthy
> use of the capability.  
> 
> VHF contesting - outside the big cities - is a very
> boring thing.  We
> need more rovers to make the contest more exciting
> for the masses.  We
> should not be enouraging world class rover stations
> to end up working
> only themselves over the duration of the contest. 
> Allowing them to 
> compete against our "true" rovers - ends up creating
> discouragement.  
> 
> I still believe that a simple rule will discourage
> anyone from ever putting 
> together a big operation like this again.  We don't
> need to worry about what 
> percentage constitutes grid circling as nobody will
> bother doing it.  We 
> aren't out to punish the little guy - or guys who
> end up at the same grid
> junction and end up creating a dozen or so QSOs... 
> we are just making it
> clear we don't want to continue seeing logs with 99
> percent of their 
> 1700 QSOs with the same two stations.  
> 
> Tree N6TR
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