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Re: [VHFcontesting] Digital and Q arrangement contesting

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Subject: Re: [VHFcontesting] Digital and Q arrangement contesting
From: Marshall-K5QE <k5qe@k5qe.com>
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2019 21:10:31 +0000
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Hi Lew....thanks for your comments.  I have written about this topic several years ago, before the ARRL changed its VHF contesting rules.  Those "white papers" are found at http://k5qe.com/1stpost.html and http://k5qe.com/2ndpost.html. ; Both are found under the EME ASSISTANCE tab on www.k5qe.com.

The first paper explains what I mean about "finding" vs. "working" stations.  Twice, I attended Contest University at Dayton several years back.  The first two hours each time was about "contesting ethics".  Various "big gun" HF ops gave presentations basically saying, "well, you can't do this, and you can't do that, and you can't do this either".   They spent a lot of time heaping shame on anyone that did any of those things.  I sat there in disbelief.  VHF ops do and did all those things routinely.

Let me say again, that I don't care what the HF ops do in their contests, since their rules don't affect me.  What I objected to at that time was that the HF centric rules had been pushed up into the world of VHF contesting.  On HF there is a seemingly unlimited number of small stations that can be worked.  If the HF contest operators had to run the entire contest and only make 295 contacts, their ideas on finding stations to work would change.

The ARRL changed the rules for VHF contesting, THANK YOU VERY MUCH!!  I don't remember how many years ago this happened.  But I do know that VHF contesting soared thereafter.  A lot more contacts have been made, a lot more activity was generated, and a lot more folks were having a lot more fun.  What a deal!!

The K5QE contest station has always made a significant portion of our grid count on 2M via EME.....read that JT65b.  IF the rules were changed to prohibit SSB and digital modes in the same contest, then we would be greatly harmed.  Many others would be hurt as well.

Remember the golden rule:  "If things are working well, DON'T SCREW WITH IT!"

As always, thoughtful comments both pro and con are appreciated and will be carefully considered.  Flames will go directly to the bit bucket.  They will not be considered and will not collect $200.

73 Marshall K5QE


On 9/24/2019 3:40 AM, Lew Sayre wrote:
      Greetings to all Contesters,
K5QE has written up a fine article about VHF contesting and why we should
leave the contest rules alone. It is clear that K5QE cares deeply about the
subject. So do I. I have a different opinion on some of his assumptions so
I'm sharing them with you. My opinions may be worth exactly what it costs
you to read them but they may be representative of a significant number of
operators

K5QE wrote, "HF contesting is all about how you find stations not about how
you work stations".  I'd like him to explain more fully that statement to
Ops like KL9A, N6MJ, W2SC,CT1BOH and others who are  performing mutant like
operating by interleaving QSOs from 2 radios. Why do they do this?  I'd
guess that by developing their operating skills and winning contests they
are having fun. I'll get back to this idea of fun.

The ARRL did remove rules pertaining to the use of internet chat rooms and
telephones during contests a few years ago. Why did they do that?  It was
aimed at making it easier for stations to find other stations to work and
diminish slow times.  After reading K5QE's note it is clear that by making
VHF contesting easier it has been a great success with everybody having
more fun.

Then along comes Dr. Taylor with his brilliant weak signal modes in WSJT-X.
Now not only do the operators not worry about looking for stations but they
really don't need to know how to operate to the same extent as a CW, SSB or
RTTY operator. The FT-modes now allows minimally equipped stations to see
and work real DX. It is a whole lot easier and a whole lot of fun which
explains the runaway popularity of the FT-modes.

What we are experiencing is amateur radio evolution right in front of us.
Operators are voting with their computer mice over the other modes because
the FT-modes are easier than CQ or SSB or RTTY, and a lot of fun.

But there is a rub. There is a significant number of operators who have
developed contesting skills and derive their fun from exercising those
skills like the 4 stalwarts mentioned in the second paragraph. We have
already seen that by combining the FT-modes in a VHF contest with CW and
SSB that the pool of operators for the legacy modes is diminished. Since it
is not much fun for the CW or SSB Ops they'll find other ways to enjoy
their recreational time in the future such as SOTA, IOTA, golf or moving to
a state where recreational cannabis is legal.

The WWROF (World Wide Radio Operators Foundation) has the correct outlook
here. A few weeks ago they sponsored the first FT8/FT4 only HF contest
which was well attended.  The VHF contesting world needs to do the same
thing, which is to delete digital modes in the current VHF contests and
develop a separate FT8/FT4 only VHF contest.  This would provide a pool of
operators who would be having FT fun with a percentage of them becoming
bitten by the contesting bug and then developing the other skills necessary
to compete in CQ and SSB contests.

We do radio to exercise our radio skills which is rewarding and fun. The
contests we do should emphasize those rewards and, not by their very
nature, lead to conflict, malaise and unhappiness..The old VHF rules are
broken by the success of the FT modes. Separate contests will rectify the
situation.

73 and I remain,
   Lew       w7ew
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