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Re: [WriteLog] WriteLog Digest, Vol 160, Issue 8

To: ad6e@arrl.net
Subject: Re: [WriteLog] WriteLog Digest, Vol 160, Issue 8
From: K3RAG LB3RE Brobakken <post@lb3re.com>
Reply-to: K3RAG LB3RE Brobakken <post@lb3re.com>
Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2016 11:28:50 +0300
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Yes 
Contest manager is responsible at the end!



Best regards/73
Stein-Roar LB3RE


mandag 11. april 2016, 08.24 +0200 from ad6e@arrl.net  <ad6e@arrl.net>:
>I'm with Wayne on this issue.
>
>If a contest changes the rules, then blame the contest manager who changed
>the rule.. Don't blame Wayne or WL for not having ESP.
>
>Part of being a contest manager (been there, done that) is reaching out and
>maintaining a good relationship with the software vendors that support your
>event.  Failure to do that results in this sort of problem.
>
>If YOU know of a rule change for your favorite contest, then YOU need to
>verify, and say something BEFORE you use it in that changed contest. If you
>automatically assume things will always be rose petals in your path, you're
>likely to be tripped up a lot by hidden roots.
>
>73, Alan  AD6E
>
>
>
>
>
>> Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2016 04:50:48 +0000
>> From: Bob Henderson < bob.5b4agn@gmail.com >
>> To:  w5xd@writelog.com
>> Cc: "[WriteLog]" < writelog@contesting.com >
>> Subject: Re: [WriteLog] ok-om contest
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>> Wayne
>>
>> A lot of us have kept the faith with WL for a long time and for good
>> reason.  WL is an excellent contest logger but keeping abreast of contest
>> rules with so many events in the annual calendar is clearly proving to be a
>> significant challenge.
>>
>> I have done rather well in contests with WL and hope I can continue to do
>> so but I feel it is getting harder.  A month back I raised concerns over
>> the scoring irregularities associated with the Russian DX Contest.  These
>> turned out to be the same concerns reported two years earlier, which went
>> unaddressed and ended up with at least one high profile contester switching
>> permanently to an alternative logging package.  Following my note re RDX
>> others wrote saying they suffered the same problems but felt there was
>> little interest in fixing them.  I confess I found their opinions hard to
>> counter given my observations received no acknowledgement, let alone any
>> commitment they would be addressed.  Scoring in the RDX module has been
>> incorrect for at least 3 years now.  This is way too long.  Particularly so
>> when RDX is one of the major events in the annual contest calendar and for
>> the last two years a WRTC 2018 qualifying event.
>>
>> I would dearly love to see WL top of the pile in contest logging but it
>> really can't be when modules for even major contests don't reflect current
>> rules.
>>
>> 73 Bob, 5B4AGN
>>
>> On 11 April 2016 at 02:46, Wayne, W5XD < w5xd@writelog.com > wrote:
>>
>> > > The problem is the Wayne can?t be a one man show and keep up with all
>> the
>> > > contests.  The third party guys have stopped developing and we users
>> > > who paid
>> > > for the sofware are left holding the bag.  N1MM has a bunch of active
>> > > contesters who keep things up to day. Very hard to compete with.  I
>> > > feel bad
>> > > for the WL developers and team, but that?s progress.
>> >
>> > Golly. One or two modules get out of date and you're ready to throw in
>> > the towel? I am not.
>> >
>> > The problem with keeping up with rules changes, in my opinion, is more
>> > with finding out about rule changes than it is with getting the updates
>> > out. The old adage that, "if you want a job done right, you have to do
>> > it yourself" means that the WL team needs to make a better effort
>> > watching for rule changes--we are obviously guilty as charged. But I
>> > hope you'll also understand that posting complaints to the reflector the
>> > day after the contest in question ends (as was done to start this
>> > thread) might not be the optimum time or method to let the WL team know.
>> >
>> > > Very hard to compete with.
>> > it depends on what you mean by competition. WL users are still winning
>> > contests.
>> >
>> > Wayne
>> >
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